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Upsetting the applecart #1 - carbon neutral biofuel
redhand:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---Given I'm worried about upsetting my somewhat finicky TD5 with anything other than 100% pure full-fat dino juice, I've taken the alternative route, which is to use the bike instead for local runs, and Abby's nice economical Rover for longer trips when I have a choice... Might chuck some sunflower oil in at some point though and see what breaks!
--- End quote ---
you do know that when they developed the TD5 engine they ran it on the kerosenefor 50.000miles so they could see what the effect of using crap fuel would be.
Hobnailkelly:
Well I'm feeling really smug and superior today 'cos I've just filled me 1986 RRC with biodiesel for the first time (2.8 Diahatsu TD powered in case anyone thinks I'm a complete idiot) There's a place just across from where I work started making it so I thought I should go have a chat with the man. Knew what he was talking about so I'm now officially 'GREEN'
Just hope it starts t'morrow ...
Eeyore:
sorry, but......
The presented CO2 reduction figure is doubtful.
Your burning more fuel per mile and the difference in CO2 as a combustion by-product is insignifcant, kilo for kilo, between petrol and LPG.
Whether an individual chooses to belive this or not, is mostly their concern.
Whilst thwy can be quite happy with the views they've accpeted, I feel it's worth giving everybody else the altenrative view on the discussion.
I quoted 60% becuase, oddly, thats what the presented reference pointed me at. :wink:
Cheers
8)
Eeyore
CaptainColourful:
--- Quote from: "biodiesel-queen" ---
--- Quote from: "rollazuki" ---Lets face it, most of us run Bio/veg cos it saves money on the gas guzzling monsters we drive.
The fact that its a bit greener is a bonus.
Veg/bio produces less sulphur based emissions, and carcinogens from what Ive read, and smells so much nicer.
Thats good enough for me.
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You're right. :wink:
When new customers phone us enquiring about our biodiesel, one of the first questions is "How much is it a litre?" The fact that it's greener is a bonus, and that it's made from recycled used cooking oil is an even bigger bonus.
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The cost of a gallon of Bio is recently being advertised on Real Radio ( by uk bio-fuels I think) They claim you can save 25p per GALLON .... just when I have got used to litres they start advertising gallons again !
A clever advertising plot mefinks :evil:
25p off per gallon is roughly 5p a litre ... hardly a massive saving compared to the 40.9 per litre I am paying for LPG (a 56p saving against unleaded)
Is it me, or are certain people pushing bio as a way of making a massive profit for themselves ?
The Govt tax is less, but the apparent profit margins for commercial outlets and manufacturers seems to negate any tax bonus.
Welcome to Rip Off Britain.
One day, when we all have the acreage to grow our own fuel we will not only save the planet, but also save our wallets.
Biodiesel-Bev:
--- Quote from: "CaptainColourful" ---
--- Quote from: "biodiesel-queen" ---
--- Quote from: "rollazuki" ---Lets face it, most of us run Bio/veg cos it saves money on the gas guzzling monsters we drive.
The fact that its a bit greener is a bonus.
Veg/bio produces less sulphur based emissions, and carcinogens from what Ive read, and smells so much nicer.
Thats good enough for me.
--- End quote ---
You're right. :wink:
When new customers phone us enquiring about our biodiesel, one of the first questions is "How much is it a litre?" The fact that it's greener is a bonus, and that it's made from recycled used cooking oil is an even bigger bonus.
--- End quote ---
The cost of a gallon of Bio is recently being advertised on Real Radio ( by uk bio-fuels I think) They claim you can save 25p per GALLON .... just when I have got used to litres they start advertising gallons again !
A clever advertising plot mefinks :evil:
25p off per gallon is roughly 5p a litre ... hardly a massive saving compared to the 40.9 per litre I am paying for LPG (a 56p saving against unleaded)
Is it me, or are certain people pushing bio as a way of making a massive profit for themselves ?
The Govt tax is less, but the apparent profit margins for commercial outlets and manufacturers seems to negate any tax bonus.
Welcome to Rip Off Britain.
One day, when we all have the acreage to grow our own fuel we will not only save the planet, but also save our wallets.
--- End quote ---
We sell Biodiesel for 79ppl, which comparitively amongst other biodiesel producers/sellers is amongst the lowest prices.
As for a "massive profit" - I WISH! Take the following production costs into account:
- cost of the oil (Rapeseed oil 32p per litre) ,
- Road fuel duty (28.8p per litre)
- Chemicals & filters (10p per litre)
Thats 68.8p per litre to make, and thats without adding on the cost of business premises, tax, loans, wages, vehicles, VAT, etc.
If thats massive profit, then you're easily pleased. That's why some producers have to sell their biodiesel for 88p-92p per litre. The less things a producer has to fork out for, then the cheaper the fuel.
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