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Upsetting the applecart #1 - carbon neutral biofuel
CaptainColourful:
--- Quote ---Using your example of a 5ppl saving, in a 50 litre tank that's a £2.50 saving, it may not seem that much but think about how much people complain when dino-diesel goes up a penny at the pumps! And £2.50 per fill up soon adds up over the year. If the saving is 10ppl (£5 per tank saving) or 15ppl etc.... well I'll let you do the maths.
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L.P.G. = 41 ppl
Petrol = 97 ppl
A saving 56p per litre ..... = £28 per 50 litres top up !
I admit the conversion wasn't cheap, but the way I look at it is the conversion cost is within the total price of the car on the road and was budgeted for when I bought the vehicle.
I am not knocking anyone using Biofuels, but merely pointing out that the immediate savings both emmisions wise and pocket wise are more obvious with LPG than a 5ppl saving over dino-diesel by buying a blended biofuel.
I will now step down from my soapbox before I upset those who are doing their bit to save the planet. :wink:
Wireless:
--- Quote from: CaptainColourful ---
--- Quote ---I admit the conversion wasn't cheap, but the way I look at it is the conversion cost is within the total price of the car on the road and was budgeted for when I bought the vehicle.
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I know what you mean, when I was looking at buying the V8 or a TDi back in 1999 I noted that the same model year V8 was £3000 cheaper than the TDi, and then had the LPG conversion done for £1200.
LPG was 35p a litre back then.
I've since put another 81,000 mile on the V8, so I reckon it's paid for the conversion a few times over since then.
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Biodiesel-Bev:
--- Quote from: "CaptainColourful" ---
--- Quote ---Using your example of a 5ppl saving, in a 50 litre tank that's a £2.50 saving, it may not seem that much but think about how much people complain when dino-diesel goes up a penny at the pumps! And £2.50 per fill up soon adds up over the year. If the saving is 10ppl (£5 per tank saving) or 15ppl etc.... well I'll let you do the maths.
--- End quote ---
L.P.G. = 41 ppl
Petrol = 97 ppl
A saving 56p per litre ..... = £28 per 50 litres top up !
I admit the conversion wasn't cheap, but the way I look at it is the conversion cost is within the total price of the car on the road and was budgeted for when I bought the vehicle.
I am not knocking anyone using Biofuels, but merely pointing out that the immediate savings both emmisions wise and pocket wise are more obvious with LPG than a 5ppl saving over dino-diesel by buying a blended biofuel.
I will now step down from my soapbox before I upset those who are doing their bit to save the planet. :wink:
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Just out of interest, is there road fuel duty on LPG? If it's bought for domestic heating, then obviously there isn't, but if it's bought as road fuel surely there is road fuel duty? :?
CaptainColourful:
The most recent figures I can find are :
2006 fuel duty (as of September 2006) in the United Kingdom is:
48.35 pence per litre for ultra-low sulphur unleaded petrol/diesel
48.35 pence per litre for conventional unleaded petrol
48.35 pence per litre for conventional diesel
28.35 pence per litre for bio-diesel and bio ethanol - low tax to encourage consumer conversion
12.21 pence per kg for gas other than natural gas (LPG)
10.81 pence per kg for natural gas used as road fuel.
7.69 pence per litre for rebated gas oil (red diesel)
7.29 pence per litre for rebated fuel oil
The March 2007 Budget announced that from October 2007 there will be a 2 pence increase in fuel duty rates.
http://www.petrolprices.com/fuel-tax.html
Smego:
I couldn't give a hoot about the environmentalists!
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--- Quote from: "Smego" ---I couldn't give a hoot about my carbon footprint!
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And we wonder why 4x4 owners get bad press from the environmentalists?
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