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one in 5 young people uninsured
mike142sl:
I suspect the 'assumption' is that young male drivers are more likely to drive too fast and crash - an asumption that is probaly backed up with some stats. I would also suspect most of those involve having like minded 'friends' in the car encouraging him to drive faster etc. So perhaps we should look at restricting passenger carrying as a newly qualified driver, in much the same way as not being able to carry passengers in an aircraft of any sort until several hours of solo have been achieved. Or perhaps not allowed to carry passengers under a set age.
Just a thought.
Red Defender:
quote "expencive to run and not the safest things"
what makes you think landies are less safe - i seem to recall a couple of years ago insurance companys or was it the aa released stats saying that more people walk away alive from a landie than from any other vehicle !
mike142sl:
--- Quote from: Red Defender on September 17, 2009, 21:06:41 ---quote "expencive to run and not the safest things"
what makes you think landies are less safe - i seem to recall a couple of years ago insurance companys or was it the aa released stats saying that more people walk away alive from a landie than from any other vehicle !
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Does that include the people they hit :-#
dxmedia:
--- Quote from: Red Defender on September 17, 2009, 21:06:41 ---quote "expencive to run and not the safest things"
what makes you think landies are less safe - i seem to recall a couple of years ago insurance companys or was it the aa released stats saying that more people walk away alive from a landie than from any other vehicle !
--- End quote ---
Stats please?
Because they are in the crash in the first place.
In a crash your more likely to be seriously injured in a 4x4 than a modern vehicle, unless the other vehicle is lower than a 4x4 (car) in which case the 4x4 is more likely to cause serious injury to the passengers of the other vehicel, whilst also causing serious injury to the 4x4 passengers.
Quick vid to demonstrate modern 4x4 v modern people carrier (Landrover v espace)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzZakGhkxkI
and 4x4 v car (Pajero v civic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zc0SDq-skA
4x4's are more dangeous to other road users than normal cars, and to learn to drive after a test, a smaller lower COG, less powerful engine, lighter, more maneuverable, better braking, less mass, road bias tyres and make a safer vehicle.
THAT's why premiums are higher for drivers who have little experience in 4x4's. The cost of mopping up after a car with 3 people in which has just been run over by a landy driven by a 17 yr old isn't cheap. Especially when the artic that the landrover was over taking on a blind corner tried to pull out of the way, straight into a ditch and puts the driver in intensive care for a week. Oh the car was a metro, had 3 17 yr old girls in it, they kid that drove over the top of the metro went to the same school as them.
That's a true story, happened in a sleepy little town called Oundle in Nothamptonshire, and I only quote it as an example since I went to school with them all. The kid in the landy thought it would accelerate like the car he learnt to drive in. It didn't, he killed 3 people and massively injured another. ALL due to inexperience.
Red Defender:
my office is messy enough without leaving magazine articles around just in case !
however and not wishing to offend if the said child thought a landie would accelerate like a car doesn't that show a lack of intelligence ? :-k
and to raise another point in the 13 years off driving and an average 50,000 miles a year, i have seen more small engined carts driven by 17 year old overtaking lorries or me on blind bends, junctions, cross roads than any other car and it has been my experience that drivers of large 4x4s are more inclined to wait, give way and not take risks . X5 however are another matter but that's something to do with the badge on the front i feel !
quote "4x4's are more dangerous to other road users than normal cars, and to learn to drive after a test, "
i drive a land rover for my safety not other peoples if i spent my time worrying about that id go mad!!
quote "a smaller lower COG, less powerful engine, lighter, more maneuverable, better braking, less mass, road bias tyres and make a safer vehicle."
but only in the hands of someone with experience i feel and the occupants of said small car are more likely to end up injured! - i would rather a child of mine rolled a land rover and walked away than drove a small car and died - harsh maybe but that's how i feel
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