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one in 5 young people uninsured
dxmedia:
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however and not wishing to offend if the said child thought a landie would accelerate like a car doesn't that show a lack of intelligence ? :-k
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It was a spoilt rich kid, hence passing his test and getting straight into a couple of year old 90. But still experience counts for a lot.
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and to raise another point in the 13 years off driving and an average 50,000 miles a year, i have seen more small engined carts driven by 17 year old overtaking lorries or me on blind bends, junctions, cross roads than any other car
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That's because people who have just passed their test who are inexperience tend to drive small cars, so you'll see more small cars doing silly things till they gain the experience not to
--- Quote --- and it has been my experience that drivers of large 4x4s are more inclined to wait, give way and not take risks .
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Because experienced drivers tend to go for larger cars (since they can afford the poor fuel economy and higher running costs). 4x4 drivers are aware that they don't have the 'oomph' of a lighter car so understand that they need longer straights to overtake. Again, experience gives you an indication of what size of gap is needed to overtake a truck in front.
--- Quote --- X5 however are another matter but that's something to do with the badge on the front i feel !
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:lol:
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quote "4x4's are more dangerous to other road users than normal cars, and to learn to drive after a test, "
i drive a land rover for my safety not other peoples if i spent my time worrying about that id go mad!!
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really, you drive a landrover because they are safe? Sorry mate, ladder chassis and lack of crumple zones don't make a safe car. Anything which causes sudden declaration rather than absorb the impact is going to cause your body more damage not less.
Now landrovers specifically, bit of a reputation for rot havn't they. If I was going to pick a 4x4 for saftey, I'd make it something monoquoce with impact zones all round, galvanized chassis and front and curtain airbags. Personally I don't drive a 4x4 for saftey though, I fully appreciate that a truck 6 1/2 " over stock with an arb winch bumper isn't as safe as it left the factory, so I drive accordingly. I have a 4x4 to go green laning, tow some heavy trailers (often 3 tonne), but horses for courses, we all have the ability to choose what cars we drive, just pay the money and drive the motor
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quote "a smaller lower COG, less powerful engine, lighter, more maneuverable, better braking, less mass, road bias tyres and make a safer vehicle."
but only in the hands of someone with experience
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Exactly. Experience.
--- Quote ---i feel and the occupants of said small car are more likely to end up injured! - i would rather a child of mine rolled a land rover and walked away than drove a small car and died - harsh maybe but that's how i feel
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The smaller lighter car wouldn't have been in the accident in the first place.
Go get some bollards on a private stretch of road, swerve your 4x4 around them. Then go get a mini and do the same, at the same speed.
4x4's are inherently unstable. It makes them less safe not more safe than a normal car.
If I was going to get a car for saftey, I'd go on ncap rating.
Disco 3.
Crash Star Rating Crash Rating 4 Stars
Front-impact score 11 (69.0%)
Side-impact score 18 (100.0%)
Seat belt reminder 2
Total score 31
Pedestrian Star Rating Pedestrian Rating 1 Star
Pedestrian-test score 8 (22.0%)
VW Golf (2004)
Crash Star Rating Crash Rating 5 Stars
Front-impact score 13 (81.0%)
Side-impact score 18 (100.0%)
Seat belt reminder 2
Total score 33
Pedestrian Star Rating Pedestrian Rating 3 Stars
Pedestrian-test score 19 (53.0%)
That small car - a golf, safer than a brand new landrover, both for occupants and pedestrians.
I would rather a child of mine was in the small car, less likely to get into an accident, and more likely to walk away unharmed than if they were in a brand new 4x4.
V8MoneyPit:
But, with all due respect, you are contradicting yourself a little there dx. NCAP ratings only allow for how well a car performs in a crash and surely the best way to not get injured or to injure others is to avoid the crash in the first place as you previously pointed out.
Personally, I think the more vulnerable you feel in a vehicle, the more aware you are of your surroundings and this is likely to make you a more aware/cautious driver. On that basis, the NCAP ratings should be reversed! They are really there to protect those who cannot be bothered to drive safely and avoid crashes in the first place. Wouldn't you agree?
dxmedia:
Exactly, how well you you come out of a crash.
The myth that 4x4's are safer in a crash, is just that. In the example above the golf is safer to be in than a disco 3, both for the occupents and the pedestrian.
4x4's are also unstable, so if driven by an inexperienced driver they are more likely to be in a crash, this is reflected in the higher premium from insurance companies.
Insurance companies don't look at kids (which is what they are) who have 4x4's and go, they must be posh to have a 4x4 lets up the premiums because they can afford it. The premiums are high since young people in large engined cars are a high risk.
Oh and I wasn't contradicting myself either ;)
The original point of this thread was the amount on uninsured young drivers because of the very high premiums. The premiums are high for young drivers in 4x4's because of all of the reasons I've tried to list above.
carbore:
Id rather barrel roll my soft top Elise than my Series thats for sure!
squaddie_fox:
im 21, never driven a car without insurance since i passed my test. i pay more for my fiesta than i do the range rover, 600 for a v8 rangie and double that for a 1.4 fiesta (05 plate though).
i think all young drivers should be restricted, similar to those who ride motorbikes, to a series with a 2.25/2.5 NA diesel!
at least then they cant go fast enough to cause themselves or others too much damage, and they will learn how to actually READ a road, predict what other motorists are going to do and act accordingly! my second car was a series 3, after someone decided that they had right of way on a roundabout and went into the passenger wing of my renault 19, which i paid 2100 pound to insure!!
i have a slight advantage over most due to the fact i learnt to drive HGV's at 17 and i now drive a foden recovery vehicle daily!
now, i would love to see the pedestrian friendly stats on that!
i haven't watched your videos but i presume the top one was the disco and the espace head on?
have a look for an engine, gearbox and a front crossmember..............
i believe the test was doctored, do you think they would get given a brand new car, to crash, if the company wasn't going to be made to look good? doubt it very much!
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