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Climategate, What do you think?
Manicminer:
Global Warming Scientists from all over the World are being paid by the British Taxpayers. They will say what the government wants them to say as long as they can keep pocketing the vast amount of money.
The non paid scientists are more worried of a large global cooling within the next 3 years.
What's on the way is a 'Global Government' and things like this are designed to keep our eyes off the ball until it's too late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcuylMrkXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2KVuwaIH70
The next step is a global financial collapse which was started deliberately oh ... about 18 months ago
Bishops Finger:
Flip...never knew Coalbrookdale was in the shire :lol:
Wonders off muttering why was Abrahm Darby named after a local school... :lol:
Chris Putt:
Climate change is a known phenomena.
There is evidence, I feel you have to be a little naive to deny it- this graph pretty much says it all.....
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/images/historical03.gif
I strongly suggest that those of you saying that it is a hoax look at the other side of things- go and rent yourself a copy of Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient truth' to have a look at the flipside of propaganda. WHILST there is a lot of 'showbiz' in this film, the evidence is hard to ignore.
The comments along the lines of 'the earth temperature goes up and down' well yes, it is cyclical BUT again, looking at the evidence this is the largest ever mean increase.
The melting of the ice caps, ice in water will not cause sea levels to rise, however ice on land will cause a mean rise. (somewhere in one of my old assignments I have the data but don't have it to hand)
Now, I know that there is a lot of media scaremongering, and equally there are the extremists but the evidence is very very difficult to ignore, however we do know the climate is changing- we have both numerate data of temperatures, rainfalls, receeding glaciers and polar ice as well as ecological evidence in the changing of distribution of species globally.
As a relaxed environmentalist, I look on whats happening as frankly- future generations are 8oll0%ed. The earth WILL find its way back to its natural stable state through feedback mechanisms (look it up- interesting theories) we have likely gone past the point at which our intervention can change what is going to happen to the earth.
If anyone would like to discuss this any further please add to this post- its a compelling and much misunderstood topic- Im happy to discuss in further detail any of the above.
Chris
Disco Matt:
The conspiracy theories are entertaining but I have to follow the old saying:
Never put down to malice that which can be attributed to stupidity
The global financial collapse was caused by a mix of people spending money they didn't have to buy things they didn't actually need, and a few overpaid idiots high up in banking firms taking stupid risks with other people's money. Looking at the culture of these offices I'm rather surprised it hadn't happened before. They need fewer 911-driving red braces wearers and more Captain Mainwarings to stabilise things.
There is a lot of money being made in the "green" area. Just take a look at how formerly respected organisations such as Greenpeace have now turned into frankly creepy media-manipulating groups who seem to care less about fine details than about moulding public opinion to match theirs. Not global government so much as a lot of groups and companies depending on climate change for their income...
crazymac:
--- Quote from: Chris Putt on December 08, 2009, 22:10:04 ---Climate change is a known phenomena.
There is evidence, I feel you have to be a little naive to deny it- this graph pretty much says it all.....
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/images/historical03.gif.
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I'm by no means an expert on this, BUT.............................................
Why did the power mongers change the name from "Global Warming" to Climate change?? Because for every piece of so called evidence of warming, there is another of cooling or status quo!
The "evidence" being produced by the universities has been claimed to be fraudulant, just this last month Emails from a prominent British climate research center have been published with statements in them about a plan to "hide the decline" in temperatures and an e-mail wrote in 1999: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
Fact is, if the power mongers agree that there is only cyclical temp change then they will have to stop taxing us poor mugs for it! They're not about to do that are they??
They are trying to encourage recycleing, but then want us all to buy new cars!! The new cars "may" be less polluting individually, but what about the emmissions producing them?? Conveniently not talked about! Electric cars will save the environment?? But you still need to produce that electricity somewhere!! Just means that the cities "may" get a little bit cleaner! Look up Sudbury in Canada, its dead from acid rain from the mining of nickel used in the Prius batteries!! But the Prius is an environmentally friendly car?? Don't make me laugh!! My Discovery is more environmentally friendly than that. It is 18 years old, gets serviced regularly and uses recycled (2nd hand) parts where possible, THAT is better for the environment!
--- Quote from: Chris Putt on December 08, 2009, 22:10:04 ---
I strongly suggest that those of you saying that it is a hoax look at the other side of things- go and rent yourself a copy of Al Gore's 'An Inconvenient truth' to have a look at the flipside of propaganda. WHILST there is a lot of 'showbiz' in this film, the evidence is hard to ignore..
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This program was TOTALLY debunked by "The great global warming swindle" program, using prominant scientists as well!!
--- Quote from: Chris Putt on December 08, 2009, 22:10:04 ---
The comments along the lines of 'the earth temperature goes up and down' well yes, it is cyclical BUT again, looking at the evidence this is the largest ever mean increase.
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Who's evidence? Scientists that recieve their grants from governments! Conflict of interests??
--- Quote from: Chris Putt on December 08, 2009, 22:10:04 ---
Now, I know that there is a lot of media scaremongering, and equally there are the extremists but the evidence is very very difficult to ignore, however we do know the climate is changing- we have both numerate data of temperatures, rainfalls, receeding glaciers and polar ice as well as ecological evidence in the changing of distribution of species globally.
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Again, who's evidence??
--- Quote from: Chris Putt on December 08, 2009, 22:10:04 ---
If anyone would like to discuss this any further please add to this post- its a compelling and much misunderstood topic- Im happy to discuss in further detail any of the above.
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Your right, it is compelling and much misunderstood, buy only because of the hype and scaremongering from the media and governments!
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