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Disco Matt:

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--- Quote from: Chris Putt on December 09, 2009, 21:21:02 ---we need to start asking questions and become more critical of those in command of the country and those in power as a whole

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I agree 100%


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Agree entirely. The problem is that those in the media who are supposed to ask such questions often fail to do so. Witness them studiously avoiding any comment on the appalling attitudes shown in the leaked emails. There seemed to be a definite attitude of "make them believe" rather than "make sure we're giving them the most accurate evidence".

Then again, questioning the actions of nanny labour or their favoured organisations is a great way to get slapped. Witness BBC and Hutton Enquiry...

crazymac:
And then we hear about Brown pledging over a BILLION £ to help developing nations deal with climate change!!! [ed: naughty]!

What about OUR budget defecit?? What about our hospitals that are on their arse? What about the education system that is massively under funded??

WHAT ABOUT THE HUGE INCREASES IN OUR TAXES TO PAY FOR ALL THIS SPENDING???????????


If I could afford to get out of the chuffing country I would :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Range Rover Blues:

--- Quote from: Chris Putt on December 08, 2009, 22:10:04 ---Climate change is a known phenomena.

Chris


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Thing is, the earth has been through cycles of heatingt up and cooling down before.  When I was a kid the Earth was about to enter a new ice-age.  Now it's about to melt under our feet.

Tell me this, why is Greenland called Greenland?

Answer, becasue when the Viking invaded it was covered in lush, green grass and they farmed cattle there.  During the "middle ages" the Earth whent through a temperature spike far bigger than the one we are seeing today.

I didn't own a 4x4 back then, so what was going on?

Well, quite simply I think we flatter ourselves that we have that much influence, the sun controls the heat on this planet, like it odes on other planets in our solar system and they are warming up too.

Another factor that often get signored is global cooling.  It can be demonstrated that polution in the upper atmosphere causes atmospheric condensation to form in larger droplets around particles of polution than it would form on it's own.  These larger droplets reflect more of the sun's energy, so a poluted plante will be colder (perhaps leading to fears of a new ice-age).  Since we've been cleaing up the planet for a while now this global cooling effect is reduce and the Earth catches back up to the temperature it would have been at had we not been here.  This explains the "rapid" rise in temperature over the last couple of decades.

If glbal warming is such a sure-fire certainty then why did the UN feel the need to lie to us about the evidence? are there decisions based on the most unreliable data regarding historic global temperature?  because they need to use the evidence that fits their arguaent.


Now I'm all for looking after the plante, reducing our consumption of it's resources and lowring my environmental footprint, but there's a lot of media propeled hype that quite frankly leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

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