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J.D.:

--- Quote from: carbore on November 03, 2009, 17:38:50 ---Not that id given it much thought, but having not done a pay and play, but having done a lot of track days in the Elise I sort of expecteed them to operate in a similar way.


* Booked in advance, instructions sent before hand.
"Drivers Briefing", everyone in a room and told the rules and ettique including overtaking on left and only by invitation, no overtaking in braking/corners,  what to do if you crash or brake down, what the marshals do etc.
Drivers HAVE to attend the briefing to get a wrist band
No wristband no track time
If your late, you get a personal briefing and then a wrist band
Recovery by approved people, we.g. dont stop by your mate whos had a crash, thats the marshals job
Sign the disclaimers
*

Obviously 4x4 pay and play dont have overtaking, but surley a similar apprioach is wise for example


* You dont have to be recovered by anyone other than a marshal if you dont want to
If someone is stuck in your way, tough, wait for them to be recovered by a marshal (or friend with thier ok)
You have to attend a briefing
You know what to do if you get stuck
You knwo what to do if someone is injured
You know where to drive and where not (e.g. dangerous thing linke mieshafts, I know about them i live in cornwall!)
*
Id hope this sort of thing happens?

I dont want to sound like the man form H&S but this is basic stuff, track days (like Pay and play) are not even motorsport covered by the MSA so most of this is just common sense or the track day company pleasing thier liability insurance.

Interestingly at a few trackdays there is some bloke who turns up and gets arsey durin the briefing saying, hurry up, we know what ere doing etc, often they are the ones who end up in the crash barriers.


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Im glad to dsay that this is what hapens at TV4x4 events.

ringo:

--- Quote from: V8MoneyPit on November 02, 2009, 15:45:13 ---I have been involved in a recovery where the Suzuki I was towing fipped on it's side. I certainly would never have left the scene afterwards. It happens to have been a friend, but it wouldn't have been any different it I'd not known the person. In this case, we could see from film footage that the towed vehicle had a lot of steering lock on and rode up a bank. It came doen to lack of communication. But I still felt terrible about it even though the other driver reasured me that it wasn't my fault  :(

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Yes Steve - it wasnt your fault at all (your a legend - hello mate  :lol:). It was a scary moment.

The trouble with that recovery - apart from the communication problem, was that we rushed into it. It seemed such a simple recovery and we missed the whacking great big hazard that caused the problem. A winch would have been so more controlled and im sure the accident would have been avoided. However, that would have taken a lot of time to sort out (which was the problem).


--- Quote ---    * £20 on the gate
    * Drive


Thats more like what happenes on a p&p day.
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Thats what happened on most of the P&P days i went to too. Scary. Especially the ones with loads of vehicles on. I got scared silly at one popular venue (and made my voice heard on here which didnt go down to well with the owner) as it was just mahem.

I really do need to get meself a play thing again...

Ringo

ben-dent:
a couple of our local sites ave disclaimers, basically saying you are liable for any damage caused to your truck, and there are marshals on site, but they will not do recovery unless your not happy to be recovered by anyone else, we do our own recoveries in our group of friends, we go out in 4 or 5 trucks so there are always a few vehicles to give a helping hand,

DoubleTop:
I've never been to a pay'n'play, only to club events.  I'd wager that the ones who go what they would call 'greenlaning' (other would say lane-trashing) have at some point been to a pay'n'play day and consider that the normal.

There are some very well controlled events, and some badly managed ones.  Happens in every sport/event/venue.

DT.

Bishops Finger:
PnP sites are great...but the £20 admission useually taken up by mupppets in normally Zookz....does not good


Go to Buildwas  and see whats meant...

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