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ben-dent:

--- Quote from: Bishops Finger on November 03, 2009, 21:22:24 ---PnP sites are great...but the £20 admission useually taken up by mupppets in normally Zookz..

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its not as much zooks any more its the non road legal discos and rangies that have had the back cut off and been bought on a trailer that are flying round the site without a care in the world,

i do club events, Green laning and P&P, i do have a heavy right foot when at P&P sites its a bit of fun on whit in my opinion is a safe enviroment but never when recovering someone as i would expect everyone else to do the same to me if i required recovery,

V8MoneyPit:
I have never been to a P&P site where the organisation meets the same standard as trackdays. That's not to say they don't exist, just that I've never seen one.

However, there is huge variation in safety at different sites. As a rule, I find club organised events to be perfectly adequate on safety and generally well organised. They have to be. Their public liability insurance insists on it.

The commercial ventures often depend on the people running them. And what they run them for. Some sites start life as driver training centres. These obviously tend to be run by people who care about others safety.

Then there is the numbers of vehicles allowed on site. I believe a limit based on X number of vehicles per acre would provide a simple rule to avoid overcrowding. Again, this is down to how the site is run and how greedy the owners are.

Recovery at club events is often limited to officials. This way, inexperienced drivers can't be let loose with a KERR. I'm not sure if this could be implemented at P&P sites though. The cost of employing marshalls might put the entry fee through the roof.

Disco Matt:
How about volunteer marshals (with relevant experience/knowledge) who get into the site free in return for their help?

It would be up to the organiser to determine what level of knowledge they feel necessary, although I would say that you could use anyone who can drive off road with the right attitude.

dxmedia:
Places such as tong have marshalls who are paid. The marshalls then also charge for recovery (marshalls discretion).

What always puts shivers up me is when someone is winching with people crouding around the winch wire  :-.

Twice the distance away from the length of any strop / wire / rope being used.  That shackle or recovery point gives way on a 10 000 lb pull, then that shackle has just been given an 10 000lb kick up the arse till the strop reaches full length to stop it again.

Waffle boards are great, up to the point where they get slung out the back with a spinning wheel on them.

Winches are brilliant for controlled recover, but they are lethal, even in experienced hands. Bonnets up hey guys, that bonnet might just slow the shackle down enough so that when it punches through the windscreen it might only smash your face, not punch a hole through your skull.

kinetics are again brilliant, if you know both vehicles well and a confident that ALL of the recovery points / chassis members are strong enough. I'm sure we've all seen the youtube video of a landrover loosing it's rear cross member with a kerr attached.

highlifts, again, brilliant, but lethel. NEVER leave a high lift with the jack handle in anything but the locked up position.  Never work under a vehicle which is only held by a highlift.

Hand winches, useful, but if anything goes, your standing in the middle!!

Confidence in the equipment. Confidence in the person doing the recovery, and confidence in the person driving the recovered vehicle, and a complete understanding of liability if (when) something goes wrong. and get all bystanders well out of the way.

wormster:
Only done 2 pay and play days, both on the Isle of Wight.

They were good fun, not too many vehicles about, I only had to rescued twice (1 on each day)

1st time I got "beached" on a berm - a gentle tow off with a strop.
2nd time I'd gone through a very deep and long puddle, lost the clutch, again a gentle tow out, foolishly I didn't leave the clutch to dry completely and it ended up being expensive in teh workshop!!

There was a briefing at the beginning of the day and we had to sign a disclaimer, Both days were well run by the I.O.W. 4x4 club, many thanks to you all, and to those from teh Island "Hi Guys" miss you lots!!

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