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A crushing blow
att:
The Police do not make the right decision everytime, much like Judges.
No one is perfect.
In my opinion, police should not have the right to make these decisions, as councils should not either, they have been given too much power over the average citizen.....Even to the point that councils can seize an empty property after six months, with no right of appeal.
The UK has become fascist, it is a fact.
We will all be chipped soon, the next 10 - 20 years, they will use crime as an excuse, they are already monitoring our vehicles, it will be us next.
We are slowly but surely being led by the nose to constant monitoring, they are clever in their psychological conditioning as they do it.
People are mostly weak and ignorant to this, they see these measures as salvation to the anti-social climate and crime ridden society and take on board the "what have you got to hide" mentality.
I have my indivduality to hide, my inner self etc......My creative self, my innovative self, I just want to be me and hide away when needs be and be a social chamelion when needs be, I don`t want to be demographed, pigeon holed, labelled, homogonised, pastuerised, standardised for the sake of the Govt. and large Corps.
I want to be free.
Terminus:
--- Quote from: "drmike" ---You're really, really sure the copper would have made a different decision? You're really, really sure he might not make a mistake just as we might make a mistake?
So, you're quite happy that the training the police receive is so good that a decision with large implications should be the hands of a newly qualified cop with no appeal?
By and large I'm sure they do make the right decision but if there's no second chance then they have to be bang on every time. Isn't that a bit unfair on the cops?
Mike
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Oh come on - lets examine your logic - police make mistakes yep they do thats why there's a sergeant to make sure they agree and an inspector above them - you seem to be under the misguided impression that a cop can do as he or she pleases - thats so very wrong.
While we're talking about mistakes ...... so do judges, so do governments and so do the people that vote them in.... and so do uncles and hey he made the mistake he'll just have to deal with it - like it or not thats the law and if it wasn't there life would be a lot harder than one crushed bike.
In addition new police officers don't just make decisions on their own if you think that you're just a touch off base.
The second chance in this case is when the next in the chain of command reviews and authorises the action or cancels it if it is not a fair decision.
Again with the facist comments I really think that's taking it too far ....
That really is my final post on the subject :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Edit - cup of tea anyone :D :wink:
drmike:
Thanks for your input Terminus, I don't know the procedures that lead up to these decisions. If you'll reply just once more you could perhaps explain to us just how these situations work.
Could I make representations to the sargeant, inspector or whoever regarding the circumstances?
I still don't feel it's right that these decisions are made without the option of going to court and I'm not sure that it's fair on you and your colleagues to be expected to make fair judgements.
I'd just return to the question as to where the line is drawn regarding the decisions the police should make without the support of the courts.
It's certainly interesting law and I am assuming it's introduction was to ease the load on the courts so that they can deal with cases promptly. Justice delayed is indeed justice denied in my opinion.
In the case we are discussing the uncle is smarting because of prompt delivery of what in law is justice and that's the idea I guess.
I'm sure that you had no intention of associating me with any fascist comments as I haven't made any and wouldn't while others have.
Mike
Xtremeteam:
--- Quote from: "Terminus" ---
--- Quote from: "att" ---The Police have their hands tied by legislation......And quite often their own low IQ. :roll:
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I take exception to that, everyone has a point of view but if you can't make it without such insults perhaps its not worth making.
Cheers
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thats a bit on the low side, :roll:
be careful just who you slag as ive found its bites a sore 1 :!:
Terminus:
--- Quote from: "drmike" ---Thanks for your input Terminus, I don't know the procedures that lead up to these decisions. If you'll reply just once more you could perhaps explain to us just how these situations work.
Could I make representations to the sargeant, inspector or whoever regarding the circumstances?
I still don't feel it's right that these decisions are made without the option of going to court and I'm not sure that it's fair on you and your colleagues to be expected to make fair judgements.
I'd just return to the question as to where the line is drawn regarding the decisions the police should make without the support of the courts.
It's certainly interesting law and I am assuming it's introduction was to ease the load on the courts so that they can deal with cases promptly. Justice delayed is indeed justice denied in my opinion.
In the case we are discussing the uncle is smarting because of prompt delivery of what in law is justice and that's the idea I guess.
I'm sure that you had no intention of associating me with any fascist comments as I haven't made any and wouldn't while others have.
Mike
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Mike appologies i didn't mean to associate you with any facist comment and i'm not poking at att for his opinion - each to their own. Yes this would have been introduced to ease the burden on the courts and for the most part in England and Wales it works (not in Scotland yet although scottish police can impond avehicle)
I realise most poeple think the decision is taken by the officer at the scene and thats it but that is seldom the case.
The problem for those who dislike the result is law is technically (where road traffic is concerned) written in stone. I would doubt seriously that in the example given it is as innocent as many would like to believe - sometimes incidents such as this may seem harsh but it is considered thoroughly - remember police are people like you when they are not at work - they don't live to be unpopular - sometimes people forget it's 'people' who join the police not heartless robots.
Most do what they do in the case of road traffic because it's the law not through personal satisfaction
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