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Bulli:
I dont know but i think this process has taken a long time to become legislation so i doubt it. Why should he have recourse? The lad clearly broke the law and lets face it could have injured you me or my kids. It would be a different story then...we would all be calling for him to be strung up.
Laws are created to give us rules to live by not OPTIONAL lifestlye choices. He broke the law on several counts ...they should also now ban him for 2 years in my view....lets see him get insurance then!
Skibum get yourself up for election next time and change the system. Laws are not passed overnight, the British legal system has developed very slowly...unfortunately not always in our(offroading) favour. But we either elected them or stood by whilst they were elected...either way YOU already made YOUR choice.

drmike:
OK so you're happy that he has no chance to put his case to some sort of court?

Where will you draw the line?

For speeding you can elect to go to court, for parking you ca go to court,  for most fixed penalties you can go to court but in this case he can't (well we think he can't).

As I say where do you draw the line?

It's obvious he's guilty, the gun was in his hand and still smoking. He's guilty. Lock him up.

We are sliding into risky waters in my view, in my case maybe sleep walking.

Mike

C C:
OK so laws are passed by a democratically elected government. It doesnt mean that they are good or just.
The only way to get unjust laws amended is by the public opinion calling for a change.
Perhaps in this case most folk will care little for the plight of the hapless uncle. But as is pointed out he is being punished without being charged  or convicted of any crime.
The police should not have the power to punish that's the job of the judiciary.

Below is another example of heavy handed officialdom.

From EDP24
--- Quote ---It may not have been a Porsche or Ferrari, but Nick Pagano felt like a king of the road when his parents handed over the keys of his 18th birthday present.

But the university student spoke of his shock last night after a council towed away and crushed his beloved first car into a cube without apparent warning.

The 19-year-old and his parents were left fuming after their 17-year-old Fiat Panda disappeared from its parking place near the University of East Anglia and was scrapped six days later.

The family, from Campion Road, Thetford, is now facing a £155 bill from Norfolk County Council after the cherished vehicle was deemed to be abandoned.

Mr Pagano, who has just finished a first year chemistry course at the UEA, said he would have to give up his summer barman job in Norwich because of the loss of his car.

"We assumed that the car had been stolen on June 8 and reported it to the police, but on Saturday we received a letter from the council saying that it had been destroyed. I was quite surprised because we received no communication from the council until then," he said.

Mr Pagano said the F-reg car was in an "immaculate" condition for its age and only had 40,000 miles on the clock when he legally parked it on Bridge Farm Lane, a housing estate near the university campus, on June 4.

But when the student returned four days later after completing his end of year exams and subsequent celebrations, the red Fiat was gone. During his absence, a rear side window had been smashed and Norwich City Council identified the Fiat as an abandoned vehicle with no tax disc.

Mother Liz Pagano said the incident was "difficult to comprehend" because the car contained work clothes, documents, and important university coursework.

She added that the car had five months tax and she was planning to take the matter to the small claims court. Some of the student's science coursework had been returned, but most of the papers were still missing, she claimed.

"It is such a pity because he has not had the car for long and it has always been looked after. It was not abandoned in any shape or form and it is not justified to scrap the car because we have spent a lot of money to keep it on the road. It has recently had a new clutch, steering column and had 11 months MOT," she said.

Mark Langlands, spokesman for Norfolk County Council, said legislation gave authorities the power to destroy cars which posed a potential hazard.

"The car was collected on June 8 as an abandoned vehicle at the request of Norwich City Council and was taken to our storage compound. It had no tax disc displayed and its rear side window had been smashed. A notice was attached to the car on June 7 warning the owner that it needed to be moved within 24 hours, but no action was taken."

"We have spoken to Mrs Pagano about her complaint and we will respond to her fully in due course once we have spoken to the staff involved," he said.
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mark.yellow.series.3:
poeple are quick to complain that the law is to soft, giving poeple points on a licence they dont have, getting a slap on the wrist :x

now people complain that its too harsh :?:

if the bike rider was so stupid/ignorant of the fact he was in the wrong place, with a bike that he was not lawfully allowed to ride, with no insurance, he got what he deserved.
iam a law abiding citizan, my cars are taxed, tested,insured, and i have the correct licence, and it gets my goat to see poeple who dont give a crap about the law getting away with it. if it was a genuine mistake, the copper would have chosen a different stance iam sure.

drmike:
You're really, really sure the copper would have made a different decision? You're really, really sure he might not make a mistake just as we might make a mistake?

So, you're quite happy that the training the police receive is so good that a decision with large implications should be the hands of a newly qualified cop with no appeal?

By and large I'm sure they do make the right decision but if there's no second chance then they have to be bang on every time. Isn't that a bit unfair on the cops?

Mike

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