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A crushing blow
Bob696:
--- Quote ---I'm not about to respond in any further depth to your use of Hitler or Mussilini to argue against points or the crushing of a motor vehicle because they are ridiculous and highly over exagerated - its the old can't seem to get my point over try aligning it with something serious to make it stronger - but it doesn't
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Actualy you are wrong to accuse me of aligning it. It is the main point. Hitler, Mussalini, Pol Pot etc started somewhere. They didnt just spring into exsistance as mass murders, they first gained popular support by introducing quick fixes that the majority found popular whilst the minority were accused of standing in the way of progress.
--- Quote ---Now I see your point clearly you don't want to accept any responsibility so the law is unfair - it counts for all of us, we're not going to invade Poland and you are distorting serious issues in history to justify a paranoia that the law is out to get everyone.
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Yes I use history to get a point across. If you cant learn from others experiences then you are totaly idiot. Others on this thread try pulling at peoples emotions and heart strings with such statements as
--- Quote ---The results of speeding and other such things can often be catastrophic for someone elses life
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Well doh! I would never have known that
--- Quote ---Ask the people who's cars were wrecked by an ass with no insurance or the tax increases to pay for those that dodge it or the inexperienced no licence driver who kills your friend - tell him it's ok then ....... Shocked
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It is a sure fire sign that they dont actualy have any real defence of their viewpoint and are relying on emotions rather than logic to get your point across.
I think it was this statement from you Terminus that sums up why the way this law has been implemented is so very wrong.
--- Quote ---......you deserve to have it crushed outright
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YOU who is so obviously profesionaly impartial :roll: will have the almost sole resposability for conviction and punishment. In this case with only knowing the facts from a newspaper you have decided that the punishment is just.
I have NO problem with the basis of the law as it stands ONLY with the way the judgment and punishment are arrived at.
If you trust future generations of policemen/women to be as trustworthy as you says todays police are AND you trust future poloticians as much then you really are being foolish.
--- Quote ---The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
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Thomas Jefferson
Bulli:
Bob, Man you really are way off.
YOU who is so obviously profesionaly impartial will have the almost sole resposability for conviction and punishment. In this case with only knowing the facts from a newspaper you have decided that the punishment is just.
Right then ,
Fact? I assume (which is dangerous i know...im sure Hitler assumed :wink: ) that as the artical was written after the uncle wrote in the main hub of the argument is accurate.
The uncle clearly is aware of the law..he states that he legallyuses the bike at a local track. So he lent the bike to his nephew knowing full well that the bike cannot legaly be used anywhere other than private land.
The 17 year old then uses the bike on public land... you with me so far?
So what minor infringement has he commited.
1. No licence.
2. no insurance.
3. No road fund licence.
4. No MOT as the vehicle is not MOTable.
Now we have no information about how he was riding or if he had been warned about his actions etc...but thats frankly irrelevant.
So we go from this poor uncle who is having he bike crushed to Hitler and POL POT for gods sake.
Right then Bob see if you can tell me why those legal infractions should be ignored. Which are not serious? Please tell me, im stupid and have read about Gengis Khans' widespread introduction of the driving test but couldnt see the link. Please enlighten me.
Yes i am taking the mickey, sorry.
I do however think that all of the above are serious and if you dont please tell me why?
Xtremeteam:
cheesey peeps,
can you all stop arguing with bob please,hes a teacher,trained never to be wrong & to argue till he's blue in the face :lol: :lol:
(just joking)
Bulli:
Maybe that explains it???
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, i love a good argument.
I just think comparing the fate of some muppet who did know the law to the major villains of the last century is crazy.
Lets face it having his bike crushed could turn him into the next Fred West but thats so unlikely that nobody would dream of raising it.
Yes we all learn from history and if the time comes when the Blair Youth march...i will bow my head in shame for not spotting it coming.
Bob696:
--- Quote from: "Bulli" ---Bob, Man you really are way off.
Right then Bob see if you can tell me why those legal infractions should be ignored. Which are not serious? Please tell me, im stupid and have read about Gengis Khans' widespread introduction of the driving test but couldnt see the link. Please enlighten me.
Yes i am taking the mickey, sorry.
I do however think that all of the above are serious and if you dont please tell me why?
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Where do I say they should have been ignored? Please enlighten me. What I ACTUALY said was
--- Quote ---I have NO problem with the basis of the law as it stands ONLY with the way the judgment and punishment are arrived at.
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Is that so hard to understand?
Asking a police officer, who are only human, to impartialy act as judge, jury, defence, CPS and jury is
a)unfair on the police officer
b) 'Justice' on the cheap
Remember the old saying "You get what you pay for" ?
BTW I edited out most of your post because it was just repeating what others have said and was mostly irrelavent anyway.
--- Quote ---I just think comparing the fate of some muppet who did know the law to the major villains of the last century is crazy.
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This is a little like having a 'discussion' with a 12 year old who hasnt listened to a word you have said and whose opinions have been burnt into him by his parents.
PLEASE read what I write NOT what you think I have written.
Where did I say that the "muppet" was the same as Hitler?
I will quote myself again
--- Quote ---Not being able to see the possibilities simply shows a lack of imagination. Seeing the possibilities but believing they could never happen is foolish
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Redline STFU :P
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