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Saffy:
The fingerprints and DNA samples of more than 857,000 innocent UK citizens who have been arrested or charged but never convicted of a criminal offence now face deletion from the national DNA database after a landmark ruling by the European court of human rights in Strasbourg.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/05/dna-database-civilliberties

Something that always irked me is the DNA sampling and retention of anyone who got arrested, innocent or not. Such a database is a powerful weapon against individuals in the populace in the event of a near-future Governing state ever becoming hostile.. i.e  such a State could *prove* someone did any crime of their choice by misuse of the DNA sample and other such horror scenarios.

Yoshi:
Yeah, it has its good points and its bad points.

Look from the point of view as well that if everyones fingerprints and dna were on file, then alot more crimes would be solved.  I understand everyone wants their privacy etc......... but what have you got to hide by not giving them???

Personally i dont come down on either side of this argument, i agree with both sides, i am just playing devils advocate!

denviks:
i dont have anything to hide myself but i dont agree with them having my DNA...

why?

well the way i look at it is....they can keep hold of my personal details and have managed to loose that. but there is quite good security in place to stop someone taking my money..

but DNA evidence is quite damming in a court room....if they lost my dna details could it be used by someone who didnt want to get caught  :shock: :shock: :shock:

Disco Matt:
It's not a case of "nothing to hide, so why are you worried?", it's a case of this eroding the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty. I have committed no crime, so why should I have to give my DNA to government bodies? Plus as denviks says, there is a real risk of a mix-up like those which have placed innocent people who are unfortunate enough to have a similar name to a shady character on "no fly" lists.

NuLabour have proven time and again that they do not deserve to be trusted with our personal data, as they seem to employ some real wallies who have no concept of data security. Until they or a future government can prove to us that they are trustworthy then I feel they have no right to gather any more of our personal data.

Yoshi:

--- Quote from: Disco Matt on December 05, 2008, 12:47:24 ---It's not a case of "nothing to hide, so why are you worried?", it's a case of this eroding the basic principle of innocent until proven guilty. I have committed no crime, so why should I have to give my DNA to government bodies? Plus as denviks says, there is a real risk of a mix-up like those which have placed innocent people who are unfortunate enough to have a similar name to a shady character on "no fly" lists.

NuLabour have proven time and again that they do not deserve to be trusted with our personal data, as they seem to employ some real wallies who have no concept of data security. Until they or a future government can prove to us that they are trustworthy then I feel they have no right to gather any more of our personal data.



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Am gonna play devils advocate again here.

You say "what happened to innocent until proven guilty".  Well these are tools that would determine wether someone is innocent or guilty.

Also at any time of arrest they could challenge the evidence by providing samples of their dna/fingerprints at that time as proof that it was wrong.

Also the similar name on the no fly list wouldnt happen.  DNA is too individual to mix up in that way.

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