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Panda:
:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: @ wireless
ben_haynes:
--- Quote from: Wireless on March 30, 2008, 04:36:30 ---Anyone that can't be bothered to set aside the time for training should question whether they themselves would trust someone to look after their own children, to someone who hasn't received any training, has no intention to undertake training, hasn't the time for it, etc, etc, have never received Leader Training, and probably as a result isn't holding a Warrant, and therefore isn't properly insured, and neither are the children. I'm not suggesting this applies to anyone on this thread.
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sorry mate but you are out of order saying this, i have known Panda a fair while and he is Great with the "Young People" and has far more knowledgable than most leaders who have done the training,
also if you have done your training, and you say you are a Training Manager and was an Adviser you should know that POR does not like the use of words such as Children it is Young Person / People, just thought i might piont this out to you
Wireless:
--- Quote from: ben_haynes on March 30, 2008, 21:06:02 ---
--- Quote from: Wireless on March 30, 2008, 04:36:30 ---Anyone that can't be bothered to set aside the time for training should question whether they themselves would trust someone to look after their own children, to someone who hasn't received any training, has no intention to undertake training, hasn't the time for it, etc, etc, have never received Leader Training, and probably as a result isn't holding a Warrant, and therefore isn't properly insured, and neither are the children. I'm not suggesting this applies to anyone on this thread.
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sorry mate but you are out of order saying this, i have known Panda a fair while and he is Great with the "Young People" and has far more knowledgable than most leaders who have done the training,
also if you have done your training, and you say you are a Training Manager and was an Adviser you should know that POR does not like the use of words such as Children it is Young Person / People, just thought i might piont this out to you
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Well, I think I did include the disclaimer 'I'm not suggesting this applies to anyone on this thread.'
So I'm not out of order expressing an opinion on Child Protection, since we are all entitled to an opinion, just as I point out to you that I did not mention POR (Policy, Organisation, and Rules).
Child Protection, in terms of that operated by the CRB (Criminal Records Bureau) actually uses the terminology 'Children & Vulnerable Adults', not Young Person/People. Perhaps I should point out that it's not called Young Person / People Protection.
We can exchange all sorts of views here, but the fact remains that my comments were not directed at anyone in particular, but the very fact that Panda responded in the way he did, and the fact that you have responded in the way that you have, must have been the result of my suggesting a change in the perspective that a situation should be viewed from, and thats all I wanted to put across.
Anything else you draw from that isn't something for which I can hold a responsibility.
Yours in Scouting
Skibum346:
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Enough.... I think this thread was supposed to be more fun than this....
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Let's all be a bit more forgiving... you would have thought that of anyone involved in this forum we scouts and ex scouts could remain peacable...
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Anyone for a wide game? :D
LittlePaul:
Let's clarify a few things.
Panda, despite his blazé attitude in respect of training, will inevitably do some training. In case anyone here hadnt noticed, he has recently been pulling through a couple of years of cancer following several years of ill health. This, on top of an albeit drawn out transition from being a young leader (actually before the scheme Young Leaders was born - this was trialed and researched in Northants) hasnt actually left that much time for any warrant reviews anyway whereby this was followed up. So to sumise, Panda was blazé, incorrect and not really serious about not needing to do training, but there is no issue here; he hasnt been actively leading in a static role for a while.
The Scout Assn isn't getting stricter to tighten up on these toerags; it already is tight, and they are now pushing people to simply follow the rules. The rules say you need to do training; end of. This is not directly linked to child protection, and reasons dont need to be explained. Discussions on this arent really for this thread, it's pretty off topic, perhaps start a new one to move this to if you're interested in discussing it. There are plenty of Scouting forums you can invite people to.
What has made me curious to reply is the signature. Why do you put "Yours in Scouting" at the end of a communication ?
I work for a company called Komcept. I dont sign letters off with "Yours in Komcept". Can you explain what it means?
Yours in Mud Club, Paul
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