Winch size ?

[marjan]

Ok I have decided to bite the bullet and buy a winch for my Defender 90. I have decided to go for a Champion as it will probably only get used once in a blue moon. So the golden question is what size do I get, is a 9,500 big enough for just occasional use or do I need a 10,000 or 12,000 ?

[Guardian.]

get the biggest you can afford, may be over the top, but in theory not working as hard and hopefully last a bit longer. :D

[MuddyMachine]

I have the champion 8000, works well. I have had no problems with it. So far I have pulled my self out of a sticky mud hole, lowered my self on a steep incline and righted a rolled disco.

It bar no means fast but it does the job :D

[BK]

Ok I have decided to bite the bullet and buy a winch for my Defender 90. I have decided to go for a Champion as it will probably only get used once in a blue moon. So the golden question is what size do I get, is a 9,500 big enough for just occasional use or do I need a 10,000 or 12,000 ?

you sly [!Expletive Deleted!] mark,you never said owt!,are you gonna mug your lass again?

[BK]

dont 4 get the bumper aswell

[Range Rover Blues]

Well it used to be that 8,000lbs was considered sufficient, on the grounds that you need a pull of roughly twice the mass of your truck.

The it became 9,000lbs or 9,500 a couple of years ago

Now eveyone wants 12,000lbs and above, probably as the price comes down.

Given how much more a 12,000lb winch weighs I wouldn't bother, better to spens you cash on a decnt wich that actually pulls somewhere near to it's rated capacity and spend the rest of a swingaway pulley block ;)

[Smego]

This question get on my nerves with people saying "oh oh must be a 12000 'cause you will need it mud is very sticky"

I put an in line scale on my old zuki ones (class A calibrated from work) and mesured the pull on average it was around 3000lb for a stuck truck the most it ever peaked at was just under 6klb and that needed me to be attached to a tree and the winch slowed before yanking out the series 3.

[Guardian.]

dont think a 3000lb with pull a loaded 110 out of deep mud if its stuck, it depends on many factors as to wich winch someone should buy, what they are doing with it is the main one. id like to know that if i was winching down or up a rockface (people do) that the winch was having a walk in the park rather than getting near its limmits, some  competitions require speed, so your onto the top end winches, there is no set answer, if you get the biggest and best you can afford, you can do no more than that!
however if its just for pulling you along a rut in a green lane, then a little 1000lb boat winch will be more than adequate.

[Range Rover Blues]

Also of coourse a 9,000lb winch is only going to pull that at best with a bare drum, on the 3rd layer it's going to be what, a 5,000lb winch?

[Smego]

All I am saying is a 8-9000lb winch will be ok for 90% of situations.

I was told the other week that if you had a 110 you "needed" a 15,000lb winch!!!

[jimthelandyman]

buy a 12000 pounder if you want one, buy one don't let anyone else decide what you want thats what i do, i always go for bigger and better its just up to you what you want plus its always nice to know you got the power there.

[Range Rover Blues]

Bigger also + heavier, I'd prefer to get a decent 9,000lb that can actually pull it's rated load than a cheap 12,000lb that can't.  My opinion, that's all.

[muddysteve]

i've got a warn M8000 on the 110 and never had any trouble

its put a few shall we say far eastern 9000/12000 winches to shame

also you can always chuck a snatch block on it, it will pull a house down then

[jimthelandyman]

my 12000 britpart winch has been mint so far been well powerfull and is about 1 or 2 kilos heavier than the equivelent 9000.

[Tommo]

my 12000 britpart winch has been mint so far been well powerfull and is about 1 or 2 kilos heavier than the equivelent 9000.

I can vouch for the strength of his winch, his truck on solid ground (with like 14" wide tyres on) pulling mine out and it just dragged his motor along not even straining the winch, anchored another motor to the back of his and it dragged them both across the solid ground all wheels locked up, still didnt seem to bother the winch, so we had to find big rocks to stick in front of all the wheels then and with people stood on the cars and me gently slipping the arse off me clutch in hi reverse it pulled me out. that awful quicksand stuff that fills in your ruts behind you and up to the top of the wheel spats in it. mankey.

[jimthelandyman]

yeh you could say it was a little stuck.

[Tommo]

that was taken just as it got stuck as well, it sank quite a bit in the following hours before jim arrived with all the rescue attempts. i couldnt even get the door open when i went back to get in it cos it had sunk that deep. 

[davidlandy]

I think that the rule is 1.5 times the gross weight of the vehicle. 

[markthespark]

most 12000lb winches are just he same motor as 8-9000lb winches with a down rated gearbox that makes them slower also the size of the wire rope goes up  meaning the winch in is harder as the drum has to be tidy.
people tend to forget about the load rating of the bumper make sure all bolts are in place and descent condition or you could end up with it on the floor

[markyb]

bigger the better 

remember you need to power it also so time to think of bigger amps on the alternator. you might have a 15000 winch but if you can only give it 35amps of power once battery is gone then your back to a 5000lbs before you know it.

I snapped my 11mm plasma yesterday trying to recover a dead truck in a river.  couldnt get close enough to double line . rope wasnt fouled on anything, just something had to give.

lucky it only had a bout a metre on the drum so no love lost there,.   but i was happy that the 90amp alternator and bigger optima can do its job.
winch is  a 8274 with 4hp motor.