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X-Brake
Saffy:
--- Quote from: SteveG on January 16, 2008, 17:25:52 ---
Do you have some personal axe to grind with X-Eng?? Plenty of places like Devon 4x4 etc aren't as cheap as Paddocks. They are not warehouses with phones selling several million of pounds worth of stock. If you're happy with the price of paddocks buy it from them.
I think you'll find from anyone that has dealt with X-Eng that have excellent business ethics and a first class customer support.
Cheers
Steve
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No axe, just a potential customer asking questions amongst my peer group, researching the market... is that no allowed?
This is a independent forum where such I felt questions can be asked/debated without groundless company bashing. Some of the products appear impressive and others (In my opinion) like x-lite leave me asking more questions of validity.
If the A-frame ball joint is the same as the one sold by paddocks I will of course buy from them as there is a massive price difference (why on earth would I pay more?), if the X-eng balljoint has more engineering to its design to qualify the price then it would still be in for consideration - hence asking the question.
If the X-brake is kick-ass conversion as it appears then I may purchase one from X-Eng in the near future but I will continue to ask questions and research the market until such time I am satisfied and the wife lets me buy one - thanks very much. If the product meets expectations I would sing its praises, if it didn't I will rant about it. My first posts on this forum where ranting about the poor quality of tree sliders (and service) I obtained from a company, where previously everyone else ranted how good they where.
I sometimes fear people spend an awful lot of money on products (in all walks of life) and the Emperor Clothes syndrome kicks in swearing blind things are the bee's knees when really they have been stung, so I think if a product/company can stand up to peer group questioning then all is good and such debate is better for the company/product concerned.
What if I asked about HICLONE? Lots of people swear blind they work, others say snake oil con - I think that is a good case to ask questions no?
Range Rover Blues:
I do know they make almost nowt on the X-Brake, the calliper itself is a very large chunk of the price.
In terms of R&D, profit etc these guys aren't in the same league as most car manufactuers. Most of the stuff you buy for your car will double in price every time it changes hands, I don't think £215 for the X-brake is enough, but they've got to price it to sell.
TDi90:
well, from a satisfied X-ENG customer, BLINDING. brilliant bit of kit, probably the best money i have spent on my motor.
:clap: :dance:
SteveG:
--- Quote from: Saffy on January 16, 2008, 17:58:18 ---No axe, just a potential customer asking questions amongst my peer group, researching the market... is that no allowed?
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Your touchy :roll:, did I say it wasn't allowed. I was going by your posts here, where you did not ask questions on how an X-brake performed you asked if it was overpriced and then you implied that X-Eng marks up their products to over inflated levels. Didn't seem like you were researching from your peers.
I've just read your X-Lite post, and it doesn't help me change my view. If you've got a mate that says they are good, go and see his truck at night and see for yourself. Or is it again the fact that you think they are overpriced. If you think they are overpriced, then price up the components, they have a bulb, spring clip, a bulb holder and a milled and annodised enclosure. See what total you get and then you'll see what mark up X-Eng have and you'll know your answer instead of asking on a forum where you won't get an answer.
It seems to me that you think all their prices are over the top and what you are seeking is for other like minded people to agree, not whether the products work or not.
You are quite free to do this, as I'm quite free to post my opinion of your posts, so carry on.
Cheers
Steve
Tommo:
--- Quote from: Range Rover Blues on January 16, 2008, 18:04:04 ---I do know they make almost nowt on the X-Brake, the calliper itself is a very large chunk of the price.
In terms of R&D, profit etc these guys aren't in the same league as most car manufactuers. Most of the stuff you buy for your car will double in price every time it changes hands, I don't think £215 for the X-brake is enough, but they've got to price it to sell.
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If they are paying over £100 for the caliper then i would be looking at somthing else. and the other £100 is more than enough to make a bracket and a disc (they havent even drilled the disc which would lighten it no end.
Most cars with rear discs use a caliper with the same mechanism pretty much, its just they have a hydraulic bit as well.
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