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Eeyore:
I can't buy into that philosophy, I'm afraid.

The problem as I see it is an escalating risk of innocents getting killed because of an error of judgement on one side or t'other. If no responsiblity for this is placed on those that do the killing (whether justifiable or not) we head to a nazi state - and I don't really want that.

Sorry, but I feel you can't kill someone based on a hunch. And it was a hunch that killed Menendes (the hunch was he was carrying a bomb. He wasn't).

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

datalas:
Just as a word of warning guys, I can see this conversation (and it is currently a conversation) going distinctly pear shaped very quickly,

Can we all show restraint and respect (or a combination of the two) and try very hard (as all have currently been doing) to not let this get personal...

not that anyone has shown any hint of doing so far, but I think that this is a very sensitive subject and that worries me :)

Pete:
Whitnes statements state. A He wasn't running. B there was no call to him to stop. C Woman sat next to him stated that he was pinned down before he was shot.

 Squadie in NI  fires ONE shot at a car that runs a check point in the dark. Ends up in Wakefield jail convicted of murder.

 Cop fires SEVEN shots into someones head at point blank range in a well lit area and walks free.
 
 As the bard put it. There is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

 Crap training, bad management, call it what you want, it should never have happened.

 Pete.

Lord Shagg-Pyle:

--- Quote from: "Eeyore" ---I can't buy into that philosophy, I'm afraid.

The problem as I see it is an escalating risk of innocents getting killed because of an error of judgement on one side or t'other. If no responsiblity for this is placed on those that do the killing (whether justifiable or not) we head to a nazi state - and I don't really want that.

Sorry, but I feel you can't kill someone based on a hunch. And it was a hunch that killed Menendes (the hunch was he was carrying a bomb. He wasn't).

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore
--- End quote ---


Gibraltar. 3 people taken down because they were thought to be carrying guns or a trigger device for a bomb that was set to go off in a crowded place. It turned out they weren't carrying a device.
Before you say "but they were known terrorists", that had nothing to do with it.
The Police/Security services are human. Operations like this are not an exact science, They never have been and never will be.
What would you like to see? Everyone sitting down in a circle discussing it before it happens?
So the cops who shot the bank robbers in Chandlers Ford, should be put before a court? Lets feel sorry for the poor bank robbers. They were lovable cheeky chappies who loved their mums who also just happened to carry guns to do their chosen line of illegal activity.
I do not want to see every Police officer armed full time,but the guys and girls who do carry get my full respect, as they are expected to go out, do the job, having made the decision to pull the trigger for reasons shown in my previous post, and then get slated by the public and press for doing it. This will be the same public and press who would crap themselves or worse when faced with a real nasty guy armed with at the least a gun or at worst a bomb.
As for the escalating risk to innocents, the terrorists seem to be doing a pretty good job of doing that!
Eyeore, sorry mate, I wish I could live in the same world as you do, but I'm afraid it doesn't exist anymore.

BigBlue90:
I have written a number of replies to this post and then not posted. My feelings are with the officers concerned who are in no win situation.

They were given a set of orders based on information available at the time from various sources. They carried out the orders as per their training beleiving at the time that if they did not then innocent people on the tube and themselves would die.

The rest is history however they still have to live with the fact that they did everything right and they are still wrong.

While I agree with the fact that the fine will be paid by the public and it just seems a little strange.

I would also like to live in a world where we can consult hindsight first and everything we dealt with would be crystal clear. Trying to deal with suicide bombers is a very difficult thing when the person you are trying to stop wants to die anyway.

At the end of the day you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Its very easy to sling comments from your armchairs however a little more difficult to deal with in real life.

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