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datalas:
perhaps we can all get a get out of jail free card for use in the MET area ?

seems fair to me

Evilgoat:

--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---Yebbut I'm not disputing that (see my post above).  My point was that the Met Police have been found to have made serious mistakes (listed in link above) by a trial jury, and they're being santioned by being forced to spend my tax money as part of a fine, whilst no individual is being held responsible for those errors and punished.
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I think the problem is that the idea of actual wrongdoing here is so dammed vague that no-one seems to know what was actually done wrong but the media want to 'hang' someone and due proicess needs to be seen to have been followed. Because the actual offence here is so hazy (some helth and saftey violation which is very shakey) theres not actually anyone to pin it on.

The Media is happier than if nothing was found wrong and for the best part, will shut up (or at least quieten down) and the Met hasnt actually been told off for anything and as you pointed out, the Londoners will pay for the fine in their next council tax bill.

The Met did their job, in the best way possible with the best information they had and Menzes muffed up when the chips were down, but someone MUST pay for this.

Its like pin the tail on the fog bank :)

Eeyore:
I've said it before and I'll say it again - since when has being frightened been a capital offence?

How many more innocents are going to die because they were scared or simply didn't understand what was going on? I can name three incidence off the top of my head.

Sure, the coppers may have said 'stop or I'll shoot', well, our South Amercian friend, IIRC, was stationary, face-down, in a train carriage. He wasn't runnin' anywhere at that point. What happened to only the guilty have something to fear? Now you can be either guilty, scared or have limited comprehesion.......

Personally, I'd be worried if no-one else is worried about this.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

Biodiesel-Bev:
Surely the fact that he ran and refused to stop for armed police officers is reason enough to increase the officers suspicion that he was a terrorist suspect, as the officers had been told.

And, personally, I would be more worried if, based on the intelligence the officers had been given, they did nothing.  It's too late when he's then blown up a train.

He may have been on the floor when shot, but the fact he was on the floor doesn't necessarily prevent him from detenating a bomb.

Lord Shagg-Pyle:
So who ultimately is responsible? The guys who pulled the triggers. But, and I will speak from experience on this one, if you have been given information that is to the best of your understanding, current and acurate, then you have to act on it.
For example, I had to arrest a guy who was wanted for armed robberies, and was believed to be in posseion of a live 9.mm Beretta and 1 sawn off shotgun.
Two days previously he had run off from a car and a sawn off was found in the car. Good information.
I do a stop on him two days after, and as he is sat in his car, he makes a move towards an object between the seats. I interpret this as him going for a gun. I hit him, with a baton, several times to the head until he is unconcious and not able to move. He was going for a screwdriver.
If I had had a gun, there is no doubt in my mind I would have shot him.
I was justified in using that level of force because of the information that I had been given.
The guys who made that decision on the Tube train wouldhave been given as much information as possible. The info may have been wrong, but to their knowledge it was accurate. They acted in the way that they did because that is the what they are trained to do. You cannot stand there and ponder over if you are doing the right thing when the person in front of you may have an exploding waistcoat on.
Fighting terrorism is not played by normal rules and the sooner the sceptics in this country wake up to that fact, the better. You cannot reason with these people. They do not understand or want to understand reasoning.
There are a great many people out there who are putting their lives at risk daily to try and keep this country safe for the vast majority of the population.
As for paying the fine Thermidor, if you don't like it, don't pay your taxes and see where that gets you. Do you think we are in some kind of rose tinted Utopia? Get real!
I don't like the idea that I have to pay to support a war in Iraq, but I don't slag off the armed forces who are out there, because that is the job they do, under difficult circumstaces.
I don't like taxes that will be used to pay for scrounging layabouts to sit on their idle arses at home, but I do it.
Wake up, don't believe what you see or hear on the Press. This country is at war with a movement that will not hesitate at blowing up women children, men, Christian,Muslim, Buddhist, black, white or any other creed.

On a lighter note, the politician who got caught on the phone? What a [ed: naughty]. Serves him right. Throw the book at him. :wink:

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