whats controls ur truck in the mud? but there r rule?

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

this custom 3 link in action . oh its on started to come into use at this point not at full travel

[Budgie]

The winch will also work very well with a ground anchor or a tree, you don't need another vehicle there (although it's a good idea   ).

Progressive springs are fitted to the rear of a 300 series Disco as standard but, as I said above, if you're going to anchor the spring to the top mounting then you'll need a good strong plate at the bottom as well. If you don't then the weight of the axle on the plate will bend it and release the spring.
The only way round this is to use some sort of guide at the top or bottom to relocate the spring or get shocks that run out of travel before the springs try to dislocate but then the shocks won't last long.

I've seen the rear suspension "in action", on my own vehicle. This photo was taken before I fitted the cranked trailing arms and I've not gone far enough for the springs to dislocate at the top.  

[Xtremeteam]

this custom 3 link in action

thats crap  :lol:  :lol:

mine goes further on standard front end  :lol:  :lol:

[extreme90]

winch works well if there is sum there to pull 2

its called a ground anchor, they work a treat  

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

its called a ground anchor, they work a treat  [/quote]

not part of suspension is it . no winching allowed thank you

[extreme90]

you really are being stupid here
<edit> are you trying to achieve with you land rover ?
instead of making stupid comments just say what you hope to achieve
a challenge truck
funday truck
greenlaner
road going offroad poser  :roll:
what ?
and we will advise you on the best solution, instead of you having these daft idea's for your basicaly std discovery

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

its a fun day truck . always be in improved and whatever i like the look of i do.

[extreme90]

right, id go
BIN THE 38 IDEA  :shock:  and get some 35's
get some 3 inch lift springs
fit the gwyn lewis challenge kit ( but instead of +5's get +6's )
cranked rear arms
see how it drives as wether to get from arms  
fit a defender transfer box to resolve gearing


you will have to mod your arches abit but that isnt a great deal of work

depending on what tyre patter you have you will have to uprate the cadbury axles at some point with big tyres ( put it this way, i broke a shaft at idle with my 35inch simex   ...thats how soft the shafts are  :P )

there you will have a very capable landy for fundays that will be stable, and wont be on its side more than its onits wheels  :roll:

then add too it as and when money permits

next id get a good winch, so when you cant get where you want to go, you can winch yourself there before something breakes

then look at fitting some lockers and shafts which will get you further than any suspention kit will get you, and if you come to stoke, ill kindly demonstrate that for you  

thats my opinion for you, it leaves you with a very sensable, yet capable landy

[beatmasterdave]

hmmmmm, i like what you're saying :D  8)  was thinking 33's, but why not go for 35's, or 38's, or 40's or 47.89383834's or 52's.... oh eer, i'll quit being silly, sorry. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  i think i'll go for 33's.....maybe push for 35 after if alls good. 8)  it is just an image thing though

[Bulli]

its not an image thing when you go places where mostly 35's are used....cos you get hung up on your diffs pretty quickly

[beatmasterdave]

yeah, just saying for me. dont intend to do anything like that. just lanes and some play days really. main thing is its gota be good onroad. 8)

[Bulli]

ive got a car for good onroad and 2 bikes, one for very fast on road and the other for fast offroad

[Eeyore]

Poll: none of the above!

I'd go for stock Disco II axles and arms, with possibley a custom watts linkage on the back. Awesome.  8)

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

[extreme90]

errm steve, the rear is effectavly 3 link  :roll:
the a-frame ball joint is the 3rd link
 :roll:

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

errm steve, the rear is effectavly 3 link  :roll:
the a-frame ball joint is the 3rd link
 :roll:

on a normal set up the a frame is solid to a point which partly holds the axle in place.

mail 4x4 order do one that gives more movement but with a 3 link system only on the back it not so easy to explain.

for a start the rear props needs to have massive slide to cope.

at the centre is of the a frame joint is a type of cv joint which allow alot more movement but is stopped at a point on each slide so u dont get wheel skimmer or rear steer  .

at the slide of the a frame joint is a piovet to allow drop on the axle. wish had took some photos of it in action underneath.

with the cv bit u get  this much movement.

wheels level is at 12 olock and 6 oclock

which moves max movement one is at  10ish on the clock and 4ish on the clock.

the guy who i know uses this system has work out the angles in degrees of movement yet.

he also has bottem dislote hats on aswell on the rear

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

errm steve, the rear is effectavly 3 link  :roll:
the a-frame ball joint is the 3rd link
 :roll:

on a normal set up the a frame is solid to a point which partly holds the axle in place.

mail 4x4 order do one that gives more movement but with a 3 link system only on the back it not so easy to explain.

for a start the rear props needs to have massive slide to cope.

big lift is need to allow such movement under neath.

tyre size is a other problem because they will hit the inner arch before maxium movement.

at the centre is of the a frame joint is a type of cv joint which allow alot more movement but is stopped at a point on each slide so u dont get wheel skimmer or rear steer  .

at the slide of the a frame joint is a piovet to allow drop on the axle. wish had took some photos of it in action underneath.

with the cv bit u get  this much movement.

wheels level is at 12 olock and 6 oclock

which moves max movement one is at  10ish on the clock and 4ish on the clock.

the guy who i know uses this system has work out the angles in degrees of movement yet.

he also has bottem dislote hats on aswell on the rear.

he has 109 on a range rover chassais wided body.i  say 8 inch lift and 1100r16 xcl tyres on the first time i was this conversion

[Bulli]

http://www.qtservices.co.uk/region.asp?id=339

you mean the qt one that they sell. which has the same joint but with a slightly bigger degree of movement,,,9 degrees....trying looking a little depper rather than believing your mates guff!! pmsl!

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

he had it on the ramp at gaydon 2005 for all to see.

okay qt do sell them just saw it on mail order 4x4 in lro that all

[clbarclay]

Its still a 3 link system same as standard.

The only difference being the maximum amount of movement before the joint binds.

As for rear steer, a different A frame joint won't stop that as its due to the nature of the limited arc the trailing arms move through. Easiest solution is to make the trailing arms longer and move the chassis mounts further forward.

[Bulli]

qt make em..its stamped on the side.....

sorry if it seems like im constantly flaming you but you can buy the joint from paddocks for about 40 quid....

bullfrog also does one....and you dont need a modifired rear prop unless your lift has moved it towards its limit

[extreme90]

it is a 3 link set up as standard  :roll:

you dont need to alter the set up at all on the back  :roll:

im still on a std balljoint and have lots of flex  

as for props, that isnt hard to sort, get a wide angle, cures alot of problems in 1 really  

your wasting you time trying to make the rear better,
the rear setup of a lr is fine, its the front that is rubbish, so concentrate on whats more of a advantage, not something thats not going to give you much
sorry but have got some silly ideas in your head from somewhere  :roll:

[Tyke]

concentrate on whats more of a advantage

Lockers . . . . for my money . . . . seen what they can do !!!!


Watching this with interest guys . . . .  

[rollazuki]

'S no good, I cant hold back any longer  :roll:

I guess when you mention a cv joint on the a frame Steveo , that you mean a big ass rose joint(or rod end joint) This is what the likes of Equipe, or anyone else after big movement is using.

Speaking of big movements, you will never get rid of rear steer on the back of a LR product. UNLESS....you tear out the radius arms, and their mounts, and re position em. They are basically a roll steer magnet in standard form.

You seem to be trying to achieve the impossible
(dont tell me that you never know what you might achieve till you try BS)
You wont produce a Disco that drives like a standard truck on road tyres Mon to Fri, then becomes a playday beast on 38's with 3 link on a weekend.
Gearing wont work, suspension will at best be a compromise, speed/power/efficiency will be uncalculatable.
You WILL need a big purse for repair bills, old Landrover parts from your mates breakers yard will do just that. BREAK. You need to spend top dollar on heavy duty drive train components, and even then, if you do get 38's I cant seen the axles wanting to be your friend.
You would have to uprate, then its more grief and expense.

Dont say you wont break stuff cos you dont drive that way. One day you will have to cross a side slope, one day you will cross axle, and just as sure, one day you will hit the skinny pedal a bit too hard, and hear breaking metal music coming from under your truck.

As far a fabbing a home brew 3 link, beware! Its hard to get right in the first instance, and needs to be hellish strong to be safe. How do I know, my zook was 3 linked front and rear on coils, done by me. It worked great off road, but had limitations on road, so the 15000 miles I did in her as a daily drive were done with mucho consideration.



Research is what you need, let the search function be your friend. Get on Pirate4x4(beware, they'll eat you alive) its where the best suspension advice is on the net.

Its nice to have the most extremiest truck etc, but the old adage about learning to walk, etc. before swimming , etc.

You have mentioned that you dont have any issues with diff clearance etc, wait till your driving demands a change, then improve things, dont try to go all the way in one leap, Youll make it undriveable.

Theres guys on here who are ribbing the hell outa you, and if it wasnt for the Mud-Club expletive police, they might be a little more forthright....

If at the end of the day you just wanna go for gold, then just




                                   D O      I T      !

Dont forget tho:



Go on, go on, you know you want to

[mentalmoshio sophs V8i]

rollazuki

it wasnt me how wants all this movement the xtremesteam asked me to post this thread. see what everybody used.

oh does anybody have a disco 2 with ace system working on it with a big lift.?