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Lord Shagg-Pyle:
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--- Quote from: "crazymac" ---Ban hand guns, gun crime increases by over 300%
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Er, but how much would gun crime have increased if they HADN'T banned guns? I'm not really seeing how handguns being legal is in any way going to be a good thing.
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I bet it would have very little effect. The legal gun users are a major minority when it comes to commiting gun crimes. The crimes, murders etc are commited by users who buy guns on the black market. Banning hand guns was a knee jerk reaction to the dunblane masacre and has (in my opinion of course) had little if no effect on crime statistics.
Mike (a legal gun user)
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Couldn't agree more.
Niel:
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--- Quote from: "crazymac" ---Ban hand guns, gun crime increases by over 300%
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Er, but how much would gun crime have increased if they HADN'T banned guns? I'm not really seeing how handguns being legal is in any way going to be a good thing.
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I bet it would have very little effect. The legal gun users are a major minority when it comes to commiting gun crimes. The crimes, murders etc are commited by users who buy guns on the black market. Banning hand guns was a knee jerk reaction to the dunblane masacre and has (in my opinion of course) had little if no effect on crime statistics.
Mike (a legal gun user)
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Couldn't agree more.
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Likewise, as one who had inside experience of the planning section of the Home Office I've met put it "the plans were in place before Dunblane, all they wanted was the trigger event, neither civil nor servant they are more interested in protecting themselves against any risk of rightous uprising, disarming the law abiding at every opertunity".
No surprise really, considering what happened in 1919.
Lord Shagg-Pyle:
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--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---
--- Quote from: "crazymac" ---Ban hand guns, gun crime increases by over 300%
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Er, but how much would gun crime have increased if they HADN'T banned guns? I'm not really seeing how handguns being legal is in any way going to be a good thing.
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I bet it would have very little effect. The legal gun users are a major minority when it comes to commiting gun crimes. The crimes, murders etc are commited by users who buy guns on the black market. Banning hand guns was a knee jerk reaction to the dunblane masacre and has (in my opinion of course) had little if no effect on crime statistics.
Mike (a legal gun user)
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Couldn't agree more.
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Likewise, as one who had inside experience of the planning section of the Home Office I've met put it "the plans were in place before Dunblane, all they wanted was the trigger event, neither civil nor servant they are more interested in protecting themselves against any risk of rightous uprising, disarming the law abiding at every opertunity".
No surprise really, considering what happened in 1919.
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Tsk, Tsk Tsk! What are you saying, dear chap? That sort of thing happening in a democratic, free country such as ours? :roll: :roll: :roll:
johnpirate:
Didnt the cretin at Dunblane have a legally held pistol .He was a nutter and I think his local force had recommended he have his license revoked.The first time my local firearms person came to my house .They are civilian is my area.He said we have been in touch with your doctor and in 1993 you were suffering from mild depression .Can you tell me why? Yes I replied my wife had just died and I wasnt on top of my game for a few weeks.Didnt like the tablets so never took them.I sorted myself out.He decided I was ok to be trusted.I must still be ok they have given me an open license.The last time she came round she asked my 14 year old daughter wasnt it time she had her own license.
Niel:
--- Quote from: "johnpirate" ---Didnt the cretin at Dunblane have a legally held pistol .He was a nutter and I think his local force had recommended he have his license revoked.
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Not quite, he was 'known' and the local firearms enquiry officer and other local police officers wanted his FAC revoked (similar to Ryan in Hungerford) a senior officer over-ruled them citing Hamiltons propensity for legal action. There was a line of thought from local information, surpressed at the enquiry, that he was an informant.
Having had an issue with an informant in illegal possesion of a firearm, and the local police treating him as gold plated, I ended up using CrimeStoppers (Uncle Mick was fronting them at the time, so I went via the MET) to kick start the process, he was found to be in possession of several other illegal weapons and lost his FAC & SGC in court. The last I heard he had reapplied for them, even though part of the tariff upon conviction is a lifetime ban... :roll: :roll: :roll: It wouldn't surprise me at all if that wasn't the case in Dunblane.
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