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crazymac:
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Er, but how much would gun crime have increased if they HADN'T banned guns? I'm not really seeing how handguns being legal is in any way going to be a good thing.
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Obviously we couldn't predict, but that wasn't my point............
The governments attitude is to ban something, then they think it won't happen any more!
But it is only really the law abiding people that gave up their guns, people like a mate of mine that hunts! He can still have his rifles etc, but not a hand gun that was used for final dispatch as required, he was also in the local gun club and they used to compete with other clubs using hand guns, they obviously can't anymore. I know that there were SOME handed in during the amnesty, but proportionally it was a tiny amount.
The scrotes on the other hand held onto their weapons, and use them to scare the life out of the general public and take what they want!! Thats not right in my book.............. However.................
Allowing "anyone" to have a gun is in my mind not good, I don't like the American attitude of a gun here, and another there in case the burgler gets to the 1st one, and I do think the American police can be a bit slap happy with their guns, having said that......If I was a cop with a gun and was facing a crack head with a gun then I think I know what I'd do!!!
I think LSP is spot on, I don't think the majority of police would want handguns, and that is good in my book, its the gung ho ones that WANT the weapons that should NOT have them, give them to the ones with a sense of the damage they can do!!
Billy Connolly once said "The desire to be a politician should forbid you from EVER becoming one" I think that applies to any position of power, and giving some of the police that I know a weapon like that would be a big mistake.
I just think that the government attitude of making things illegal is pathetic, and only serves to criminalise the general public and allows the scrotes to get on with what they want as the police have no power against them anymore due to "Human rights" et al. The police WANT to do the job, its what they signed up for, but progressively all their powers have been taken away from them.
(OK Rant over)
fatusbloke:
Once asked a policeman is opion on arming the Police and his answer was spot on in my opinon "The Police force is a cross section of socity and i wouldn't give some of them a pea shooter" :roll:
Hobnailkelly:
In Switzerland it is compulsory for all males to do a form of National Service.
During this National Service they give you an automatic rifle and semi-automatic pistol
When you finish you get to keep one or both weapons; this is compulsory for all men between 20 and 42.
This gives Switzerland the highest %age per capita of (legal) gun ownership in the world. Admittedly, there are restrictions on ammunition but this only applies to military issued bullets (in a country where shooting is a bigger national pastime than it is in America purchase of ammunition is not a problem)
Switzerland have had a well armed militia for a few hundred years - why do you think Hitler never invaded!
Question:
Which country has the lowest rate of gun crime in Europe?
Lord Shagg-Pyle:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---
--- Quote from: "crazymac" ---Ban hand guns, gun crime increases by over 300%
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Er, but how much would gun crime have increased if they HADN'T banned guns? I'm not really seeing how handguns being legal is in any way going to be a good thing.
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Most murders in this country are committed using kitchen knives. I don't see a ban being imposed.
The handgun ban was just another knee jerk reaction, a bit like the Dangerous Dogs Act. That really stamped out that danger didn't it?
I mean, I come across Japanese Toza fighting dogs every day of my life!
If people want to get guns they will get them, regardless of the law or not. I dealt with a guy who called his guns 'babies'. He also had pictures of Hitler, Himmler and Goebbels on his wall. He was a holocaust denier, but I still couldn't have the guns off him because I was not qualified to say he was menty :shock:
So sorry Therm, in relation to your argument, the answer could be ban anything that might be dangerous or cause harm. Guns, dogs, knives, beer, fags, cars, electricity, nuts, ice cream, sun light, where do you stop?
spy:
--- Quote from: "thermidorthelobster" ---
--- Quote from: "crazymac" ---Ban hand guns, gun crime increases by over 300%
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Er, but how much would gun crime have increased if they HADN'T banned guns? I'm not really seeing how handguns being legal is in any way going to be a good thing.
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I bet it would have very little effect. The legal gun users are a major minority when it comes to commiting gun crimes. The crimes, murders etc are commited by users who buy guns on the black market. Banning hand guns was a knee jerk reaction to the dunblane masacre and has (in my opinion of course) had little if no effect on crime statistics.
Mike (a legal gun user)
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