Difference bewteen a 90 & Defender?

[Staffy]

Pretty new to the Land Rover scene so forgive my ignorance. I am thinking of getting rid of one of our Disco's and getting either a Hybrid or a 90.

But what is the difference between a 90 and a Defender? Besides the engines etc..?

Thanks
Phil

[AbyssDJ]

basically - 90/110 was the early models, defender is the later models. on the front of an old one, you'll find "land rover 110", on a new one, you'll find "defender".

the older ones are usually 2.5 n/a or 3.5 v8 engines, where as the newer ones are usually 200tdi/300tdi/etc

in the older ones you'll generally find older looking interior trim, and also you'll usually find slidey windows on lift handle doors, as opposed to windy windows with push button doors...  stuff like that.

[Terranosaurus]

in the older ones you'll generally find older looking interior trim,

Bit of a vague statement to use about 90/110 or Defenders, even the new 07 model is fitted with older looking interior trim.

[AbyssDJ]

true, its a bit vague in the same way as saying really old people generally look older than regular old people....

the trim looks much older in an old 90/110 as opposed to a defender - for one, its all made of wierd material stuff. in the newer models, its moulded foamy stuff.

[Keri]

in the older ones you'll generally find older looking interior trim,

Bit of a vague statement to use about 90/110 or Defenders, even the new 07 model is fitted with older looking interior trim.

The new 07 model is fitted with more plastic jap crap looking stuff you mean  

[Staffy]

So there is not much difference between them in the way they drive or the suspension etc..

Is one easier to mod than the other ie. spares availability and modified components?

Thanks
Phil

[redhand]

The chassis suspension and bodies are the same modding 1 is eaxactly the same whether 90 or defender. The defender was renamed to coincide with the introduction of the 200tdi  which came out in 1990 before that apart from the 2.5n/a and the v8 there was also a 2.5turbo diesel. They were 1st produced in 1983 with 2.25 petrol or diesel engines & sliding windows but these were changed in 84 to winding windows. and the 2.5 N/A diesel, and 2.5 petrol engines

[AbyssDJ]

So there is not much difference between them in the way they drive or the suspension etc..

Is one easier to mod than the other ie. spares availability and modified components?

Thanks
Phil

nah, theres no difference, and the parts are all the same anyway :) ideally, you want a 200tdi, but if you buy an older one with a 2.5na engine, you can swap the engine to a 200tdi with relative ease.

theyre basically the same vehicles

[AbyssDJ]

The chassis suspension and bodies are the same modding 1 is eaxactly the same whether 90 or defender. The defender was renamed to coincide with the introduction of the 200tdi  which came out in 1990 before that apart from the 2.5n/a and the v8 there was also a 2.5turbo diesel. They were 1st produced in 1983 with 2.25 petrol or diesel engines & sliding windows but these were changed in 84 to winding windows. and the 2.5 N/A diesel, and 2.5 petrol engines

the 2.5na's didnt have winding windows, they still have sliding windows as far as i know

[Xtremeteam]

The chassis suspension and bodies are the same modding 1 is eaxactly the same whether 90 or defender. The defender was renamed to coincide with the introduction of the 200tdi  which came out in 1990 before that apart from the 2.5n/a and the v8 there was also a 2.5turbo diesel. They were 1st produced in 1983 with 2.25 petrol or diesel engines & sliding windows but these were changed in 84 to winding windows. and the 2.5 N/A diesel, and 2.5 petrol engines

the 2.5na's didnt have winding windows, they still have sliding windows as far as i know

no they had windy windows

my truck started life as a na with lift up handles & windy windows

[redhand]

no they had windy windows
my truck started life as a na with lift up handles & windy windows

As did mine and a few thousand others.

Try this link for an history and timeline for the 90/110 and defender.

http://www.winwaed.com/landy/history/defender.shtml

[AbyssDJ]

there you go then, windy windows it is

[adafish]

LIAM...have ya finished JUGS...

[Thrasher]

ISTR the name Defender came in because the Americans couldn't deal with a vehicle with no name ;-)

[AbyssDJ]

LIAM...have ya finished JUGS...

as good as finished matey :) engine crane is still here if you wanted to pick it up? cant fetch it back over at the mo

[anaxemurderer]

the name Defender came in because the Americans couldn't deal with a vehicle with no name

Thats ironic becuase the defender is now called the D90 in America cause they like to have numbers in the name. Discovery 3 is generally called D3.

Daft Americans!

Nick

[Holyzeus]

it was always called the D90 in the states it was only available for a short while, look at the prices for them on the US ebay  :shock:

[per_ardua]

Pre 1989 'land rover ' only produced two models, Range Rover and Land Rover.
In 1989, they came about a third model, The Discovery, therefore it was decided to name all three vehicles as having a 'land rover' and 'land rover discovery' would be confusing.
hence the name change

Range Rover
Defender
Discovery

the Land Rover Ninety and One-ten as they were then known before hand was changed to Defender 90 and 110.

hope this helps.

P.S. I have a Landrover One-ten and a Defender 90.

[Nobber]

just found this thread as ive been away for a while.

early one-tens had sliding windows , ninetys never had.
they also had galvanized body cappings and sill bars , defenders had just steel ones.
the doors had lift up handles with a pull handle on the inside.
the trim , ninetys had delux high back series seats but apart from that pretty standard stuff. older vehicles had a galvanized vent above the rear door however im not sure if they changed this for the defender or not.
the bonnet on a ninety opens via a key and lock above the grille.
ninetys had the old type lt77 that couldnt take the later cross drilled input gear and suffered badly from input shaft wear.
ninetys and one-tens were almost experimental as they were a brand new design and underwent numerous changes before they became defenders.

[L90OOK]

just found this thread as ive been away for a while.

early one-tens had sliding windows , ninetys never had.

Because the 90 was introduced later

they also had galvanized body cappings and sill bars , defenders had just steel ones.

Only on A/B reg vehicles...c reg too date have mild steel cappings

the doors had lift up handles with a pull handle on the inside.

Only on A/B reg vehicles...C reg onwards had push button doors.

the bonnet on a ninety opens via a key and lock above the grille.

So did the 110's on A/B reg vehicles.

ninetys had the old type lt77 that couldnt take the later cross drilled input gear and suffered badly from input shaft wear.

So did the 110's...only a real problem when the Defenders were introduced with the more powerful 200Tdi engine.

ninetys and one-tens were almost experimental as they were a brand new design and underwent numerous changes before they became defenders.

The Range Rover was the experimental vehicle.  The early 110's (Y & A reg) were a mix of Stage 1 Series3's 109's & Range Rover.

[Nobber]

ah there you go , ive only really had dealings with a b reg 90 and buying parts for it during a re-build led me to notice such differences.
while we are on the subject of experimental vehicles have you had a look at the dunsfold collection? lots of range rover/series/90-110 transitional vehicles in there.

http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/gallery/full2/90no1.jpg
http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/gallery/full2/100bac.jpg
http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/gallery/full3/90no2.jpg
http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/gallery.shtml

[Tango]

Riddle me that answer me this you guys who know the difference between all these land rover bits!!!


Why has my Landy Defender 90 got solid windows in the back??? and not the half open ones that I seee on all the other motors????? Can someone explain this not that it bothers me as I feel they are safer and look so much better!!!

Heres a pic to give you an idea what im on about



as you can cleary see on this wonderful motor, so much better then any other Land Rover by far cos its the only one I know to be painted with this special Ferrari Orange colour!!!!!! anyway its a bit of history and the guy who owened it b4 me had his mate who worked at a Ferrari garage over in Kent somewhere!!!!! Anyway back to the question???? Why my windows one piece??? Thanks!!!!!

[L90OOK]

It looks like a hardtop that has had one piece window put in it...There are no window sliders (as far as I can see).

Nice looking motor though.  8)

[Tango]

So you would say they have been put in!!! So you could not buy a Land Rover 90 Defender like that then?

[mud-club-matty]

once again he dont no wot he is talkin about

[Keri]

once again he dont no wot he is talkin about

What you on about?

[L90OOK]

So you would say they have been put in!!! So you could not buy a Land Rover 90 Defender like that then?

No I don't believe so...all Station Wagons have sliding windows.  8)

[Nobber]

mines the same.
check your vin to see if it were ever a van.



personally id like slidy windows.