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Dirty Gertie:

--- Quote from: "Wolfie" ---Actually, the penalty of death for treason and piracy was repealed by the Crime and Disorder Act 1998

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Damn!! I'm sure it could be brought back by popular demand (a bit like 'Take That' and the 'Spice Girls'!!  :wink: )

BrumLee:
Two of those linked with the attempted bombings are doctors. Do doctors not have to take a hypocratic oath that they will preserve life and stop pain and suffering?

Evilgoat:

--- Quote from: "BrumLee" ---Two of those linked with the attempted bombings are doctors. Do doctors not have to take a hypocratic oath that they will preserve life and stop pain and suffering?
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In the UK and US yes, I'm not sure about elsewhere.

Although 'Do No Harm' isnt in the original.

This is in the modern one though:

'Never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest.'

screwy:

--- Quote from: "pilgrim" ---surely we can learn from what has happened in northern iresland. it was not that long ago that everyone with an irish accent was a terrorist, now it is the arabs.

if we believe in western democracy (the concept of majority rule) then surely we are an islamic state? lets us face it, our so-called democracy is no superior to anyone else's system for choosing their leaders.

what is needed is to remove the emotion and the hatred from the equation. this is something that many people are working hard towards on all sides of the racial/political/faith divide.

before i get stick - i am not saying the terrorist should not be punished, i just think that the punishment is not the solution to our problems. the beauty of our country is that it promotes freedom of speech and debate - neither of which have ever killed anyone.
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Sorry Pilgrim, but punishment is the solution. For too long this country has adopted a soflty-softly approach in everything from diplomatic relations to crime to terrorism and it does not work. The prison system is overflowing at the moment and this at a time when it is highly undesireable to send people there. Why? Because there are more and more criminals. Why? Because all through their lives they are allowed to totally dominate everyone by spouting their rights.

Now I think it is high time we had the other side of rights which is responsibility and consequnces for one's owns actions and that means punishment first before reabilitation.

And whilst I agree whole heartedly with your thoughts on reasoned debate, the problem is with the current threat from islamic and other religious fundamentalists is that ther is NO debating with them! They beleive their twisted versions of reality are right and we are wrong and that's it. No debate. No debate to the point of their own death in so-called fatwahs, suicide bombs and more.

And it is very hard to remove emotion and hatred when faced with the same.

And finally, I dont understand your comments on Western democracy being equated with an Islamic state? Western democracy allows religious and spiritual freedoms to all faiths despite being largely based in Christianity. Islamic states do not offer the same freedoms to their citizens, openly persecuting many for their religions. There are exceptions of course, but I still do not understand the similie??

Edge:
At the end of the day... these terrorists are attacking "OUR" innocent women children and men...., too cowardly to attack our government or armed forces.

I'm puzzled as to why they dont single out our politicians?

Talking of politicians.... noticed the majority of councilors are now asian/muslim in our big cities.

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