thinking of getting a RRC

[SebastianW]

Hi, I'm thinking of getting a RRC, but still haven't decided on diesel or petrol. I kinda want to save money, so if I get a diesel I'll run it on veg oil (after fitting the right kit - http://www.dieselveg.com/veg_oil_kit.htm), but I also want some grunt out of my vehicle, which is why I would like a petrol.

I wondered if someone could end this on going debate in my head for me. And also tell me the pro's and con's of each.

Thanks,
Sebastian

[Yoshi]

v8 on lpg, auto gearbox - nowt beats it! you get the growl, the similar economy to a diesel and the comfort :D

[hairyasswelder]

v8 on lpg, auto gearbox - nowt beats it! you get the growl, the similar economy to a diesel and the comfort :D

AND you pay alot less, TDi Diesels command a premium price  
also VM diesel has problems and is slow, as for conversions I'm not convinced  :?

Steve

[dave362]

v8 on lpg, auto gearbox - nowt beats it! you get the growl, the similar economy to a diesel and the comfort :D

AND you pay alot less, TDi Diesels command a premium price  
also VM diesel has problems and is slow, as for conversions I'm not convinced  :?

Steve

I am about to convert my 1987 3.5efi to a 300tdi. What problems have you heard with conversions?

[Yoshi]

But then saying that there is an m-reg tdi rangie round by me with test but no rfl for £1500!!! needs a new bonnet but thats about it from what i have seen :D

[dave362]

But then saying that there is an m-reg tdi rangie round by me with test but no rfl for £1500!!! needs a new bonnet but thats about it from what i have seen :D

rfl?

[hairyasswelder]

v8 on lpg, auto gearbox - nowt beats it! you get the growl, the similar economy to a diesel and the comfort :D

AND you pay alot less, TDi Diesels command a premium price  
also VM diesel has problems and is slow, as for conversions I'm not convinced  :?

Steve

I am about to convert my 1987 3.5efi to a 300tdi. What problems have you heard with conversions?

Sorry I meant the Isuzu/ Diahatsu/ Mazda etc conversions,  :oops:
There are some Poorly fitted DIY bodge jobs around  

[hairyasswelder]

But then saying that there is an m-reg tdi rangie round by me with test but no rfl for £1500!!! needs a new bonnet but thats about it from what i have seen :D

rfl?

TAX   Road Fund Licence  

[SebastianW]

Thanks for the quick replies.

v8 on lpg, auto gearbox - nowt beats it! you get the growl, the similar economy to a diesel and the comfort :D

I always thought auto transmissions were less power efficient than manuals.

And what makes TDi's more expensive? They're less powerful. Talking about power, what's the BHP from, say, a 200TDi and a 3.5EFi or 3.9EFi?


I want something that will have some degree of acceleration, possibly 0-60 in 20 seconds? or is that too much? I'm not sure. I dont know paticurarly much.

[dave362]

Thanks for the quick replies.

v8 on lpg, auto gearbox - nowt beats it! you get the growl, the similar economy to a diesel and the comfort :D

I always thought auto transmissions were less power efficient than manuals.

And what makes TDi's more expensive? They're less powerful. Talking about power, what's the BHP from, say, a 200TDi and a 3.5EFi or 3.9EFi?


I want something that will have some degree of acceleration, possibly 0-60 in 20 seconds? or is that too much? I'm not sure. I dont know paticurarly much.

BHP will be well down from 185bhp with V8 and 115ish from Tdi but diesels has bags of torque. The biggest problem I had with the V8 was fuel consumption followed by difficulty water proofing all the electrics.

I believe the Tdi engines are well sought after because of the number of people retro fitting them to TD models etc. Mine cost £500 and was a steal at that price complete with gear and transfer boxes

[Yoshi]

But the auto still runs nice, i will still out accelerate a chav in the auto :D thats about as much fun as i get these days, could be why me gearbox is knackered! lol

[SebastianW]

haha, great. well as long as I can at least keep up with everyone else my age, in their traditional mini's and peugoet 106's then I'm happy.
I certainly get some odd remarks from some people when I tell them my first vehicle will be a land rover  :roll:

[SebastianW]

BHP will be well down from 185bhp with V8 and 115ish from Tdi but diesels has bags of torque. The biggest problem I had with the V8 was fuel consumption followed by difficulty water proofing all the electrics.

185bhp sounds nice, but what's the torque rating from the two? do you know?

[dave362]

BHP will be well down from 185bhp with V8 and 115ish from Tdi but diesels has bags of torque. The biggest problem I had with the V8 was fuel consumption followed by difficulty water proofing all the electrics.

185bhp sounds nice, but what's the torque rating from the two? do you know?

185bhp is for the high compression engines when they are new though. You will not get that from a worn engine. Not sure of torque comparisons, but I'm sure smebody will be along soon with the figures

[SebastianW]

I remember reading somewhere about a company (can't remember its name) that refurbishes and possibly makes new engine blocks.
Do you, or anyone reading this, possibly know what I'm on about. And would it be cost affective to do that in order to get the lost power back in the engine?

[dave362]

I remember reading somewhere about a company (can't remember its name) that refurbishes and possibly makes new engine blocks.
Do you, or anyone reading this, possibly know what I'm on about. And would it be cost affective to do that in order to get the lost power back in the engine?

The easiest power improvement is to fit a 3.9 cam shaft, tappets and timing gear. The lobes wear at around 80k miles. There are loads of companies that will rebuild engine...... at a cost

[SebastianW]

how does a 3.9 cam shaft improve power?
and what are lobes?   :?:

I know, I really am a newbie! lol :lol:

[hairyasswelder]

how does a 3.9 cam shaft improve power?
and what are lobes?   :?:

I know, I really am a newbie! lol :lol:

Yes, any new parts improve the engine to restore power but will give slightly bigger improvement to 3.5 performance, the lobes are the part of the cam that pushes the valves to open them, different profiles of the cam produce different power results as the valves can open longer or earlier/later to improve combustion  8) .  All at a cost paid for in more fuel  

3.5 efi 165 bhp 206 ft/lb torque @ 3,200 rpm
3.9 efi '89-92 188 bhp 235 ft/lb @2,600 rpm
3.9 efi '92 -95 181 bhp 231 ft/lb@ 3100 rpm
VM 2.5 '89-92 112 bhp 183 @2400
200 tdi '92-95 111 bhp 195 @ 1800

Earlier carb(petrol) models produce less power, between 125 to 135 bhp and generally have a lower compression engine

Try a search for performance cams and you will get baffled by the tech info, I did  :?  but you might learn more  

Steve

[dave362]

Try here for a wealth of info :

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/camshaft.htm

and here:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/engine1.htm

[SebastianW]

ok, thanks for all the info.
there's just one more thing I want to know (then I'll stop with all the questions!  :lol: ), and that is, what sort of mpg do you get with the 3.5/3.9 and 200tdi? oh, and what does VM stand for? :?

thanks,
seb

[Rich_P]

V8, typically it would be between 10-20mpg.  It largely depends on the condition of the engine and vehicle and your driving style.  Meanwhile the 200/300TDi will return around 30mpg typically under most driving styles.

VM is an Italian manufacterer who builds engines.  The VM 2.4 and 2.5 TD were used in the Range Rovers from the early 80s up to the late 80s and were then replaced by the far better TDi engines.

[SebastianW]

ahh right, thanks.

V8, typically it would be between 10-20mpg.

how many?  :shock:

So, for me that would be £3200/yr on fuel!
ohhh pooo!

and with the 4x4 tax going up as well.  :roll:


how old does a vehicle have to be to be able to be (to be to be to be....) tax exempt?

[hairyasswelder]

<<<<<<<<<<  14-17 mpg  but at 41.9 ltr LPG

So rough equiv to 28-34  against price of petrol (better than diesel)

Tax increase is only on cars built (NOT just 4x4's) after 2001 as I understand it. with the major hike on 2006 on cars

Tax exempt is pre 1971 I think, may stretch to 1972.

Steve

[SebastianW]

Isn't LPG kinda hard to get hold of? you get it from the petrol pumps the same as diesel and unleaded right?
28-34:  well that's a load off my mind.  :D

Pre 2001 only? Well that's....odd. I can't imagen why that is myself.  :?


A friend of mine's dad is selling a 1988 Rangie 3.5 V8, good condition. I'm not looking to buy right now, but I said I was interested. He's asking for an offer somewhere round £8-900 I think. I just hope he is willing to wait a few months. :)

I was advised earlier not to get a Rangie for off-roading, because it has a wide turning circle and a long wheelbase. Is this true, and if so, is it a problem when going offroad? (supposing I covering all types of off-roading in one)

[Yoshi]

With regards to the tax thing, the reason its pre 2001 is they started to monitor the co2 a car kicked out, so the higher the co2 the higher the tax, but because cars previously to that yeah werent monitored so much.

LPG is extremely widely available!  check out here

[Rich_P]

Tax exempt is pre 1971 I think, may stretch to 1972.

The vehicle must be built prior to 1st January 1973 to qualify for tax exemption.

[SebastianW]

Tax exempt is pre 1971 I think, may stretch to 1972.

The vehicle must be built prior to 1st January 1973 to qualify for tax exemption.

Is that a constant, or will it be 1st Jan 1974 next year?

[Yoshi]

its stuck there, its not a rolling one anymore :(

[SebastianW]

well that's silly. why not?

[Rich_P]

Ask the current government party that is in power.