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Offline jamesledingham

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« on: January 23, 2007, 16:39:39 »
So...on top of the fuel tank issue...The garage have now told me that the bolts holding the calipers on are stripped and they can;t get them out without possibly many many hours work. Either I pay a few hundred quid for labour for them to be rebuilt (one of the hub seals is leaking onto the brake disk too so it needs doing!) or I get a new front axle (£300 from a 1998 110) and they fit that.

How easy is the fitting of an axle? Could I do it with some help?
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2007, 17:02:40 »
if they are stripped they will come out very easily surely?!
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2007, 17:07:38 »
How can you tell if a bolt is stripped if you cant get it out???? :?  :?  :?
Where have you sent it? A smart car dealer  :shock:
Just a guess but is the garage selling you the axle??
Get your landy  out of there   :?  :?

Axle £300
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Bleed brakes, Vat

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GET A SECOND OPINION

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2007, 18:28:17 »
I presume they mean the bolt heads are stripped, in which case they need to use bolt extracting tools to get them out - definatly no need for a new axle yet!
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2007, 19:02:29 »
Quote from: "smo"
I presume they mean the bolt heads are stripped, in which case they need to use bolt extracting tools to get them out - definatly no need for a new axle yet!


A bit of heat may help all the ones i have done have been lock tighted.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2007, 19:21:22 »
The garage seem to want to take ur pants down!  id get it back and get someone else to look at it.

if your hub seal is leaking drain the oil and stick some one shot grease in.  pikey, but it will help (unless it already got one shot in)
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2007, 19:27:04 »
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The garage seem to want to take ur pants down!  id get it back and get someone else to look at it.

some place are just greedy. and lets face it, bad at making excuses to up the cost.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2007, 19:41:00 »
i do everything on our cars, appart from once when i snapped a front spring going to work (quite common on a 306 gti6) which resulted in font wheels pointing forward and no chance of steering.  
So blagged my mates AA and took it to garage cause i was a tad annoyed at the time!  resulted in a £170 bill for changing 2 springs and a car that now sits lob sided cause they probably used cheapo springs.  They even charged me for the spring compressors they snapped trying to remove the old spring  :evil: had to pay otherwise i wouldnt get keys back!!

never took a car to any garage again appart from MOT, rather spend the extra time doing it myself instead of being raped by local garage!

removing a 4' steering rack thru a 18" x 3" hole took me a while when i broke that, but i wouldnt be beaten!  :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2007, 21:08:54 »
simply bring your landy home if poss, and do it yourself and us kind lot will talk you through it,
ive got some 90 swivle housings here, and its them that the caliper bolts to
so if they goosed ive got the bits you require right here  :wink:
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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2007, 04:25:30 »
I changed my own axle, but it's a heavy beasty.  Lift the car as high as possible then rest it on axle satnds, drop the rad arms out of the chassis, springs andparhard rod, all that then drag it out on top of your trolley jack.  If you've got a mate standing by then even better.

But that sounds like billy to me, stripped thread my bum.  If the female threads are gone you could stlii have it helicoiled for about £40, probably in situ, or swap the steering knuckle (has the calliper flange on it and is drilled for the stub axle).

And £300 for another axle, is it Gold plated?  You can get a recon one for not much more than that can't you?
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2007, 10:45:55 »
what are you doing Man!!??  rplacing the fronxle just because the caliper bolts are stuck??? even if they were completley stuck it wouldn't take long for them to remove them.  who stripped the bolts?? If it was the garage then ask them to sort it at their expense.  they should know that caliper bolts need to be treated with extra care.  There's no way you should have to swap the axle though
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2007, 12:15:03 »
Well, the ratchet handle broke off when I used one of these
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/5-piece-bolt-grip-set/path/socket-sets-sockets-tool-sets/brand/irwin
 - the bolts aren't budging. The calipers are rusted to [!Expletive Deleted!] anyway by the looks of things so I think I'm best just replacing the axle.

Equicar can do me an axle for £250 delivered. Otherwise will keep an eye out on eBay - there's a few around at the moment. Delivery is the issue though!
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2007, 12:21:42 »
Or...

Do I spend £600-£800 on a TDi Disco, getting 2 better axles and a better engine and scrap the rest of it and my old parts on eblag...?
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2007, 12:37:38 »
yeah sounds very expensive.

i wonder if they stripped the bolts as mine came out pretty easy yesterday had to use a star type socket.

axle seems abit excessive
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2007, 12:42:28 »
yeh bolts are totally stripped.

Well, I say that - the one bolt on the drivers side is totally stripped. Am I right in thinking there are two identical bolts in each caliper? one above the other? Theother one on the drivers side seems stripped. I got fed up after that so can;t remember what the other ones were like.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2007, 13:03:49 »
get some deisel and pafafin and slosh it on the bolts, it will creep in over a few days then get your self a good blow torch and heat the area up as much as you can, try and hammer a slightly smaller socket on and then undo it a 1/4 turn, tighten 1/4 turn, loosen 1/2 term rtighten ect

i would give this ago as it will be a dam sight easyer and i think you mean your bolt is rounded off not stripped.
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 13:06:25 »
never use a ratchet to undo tight bolts - not unless you fancy using halfords professional returns policy!

For the break calliper bolts you need a 1/2 AF socket, preferably on half inch drive, they have an inegrated washer on the back... place the sock on and an extention and give them a hefty wach with a big hammer.  Using a two foot bar you can normally get them undone.

If the thread has stripped you may be able to tap out to the next size although I personally wouldn't do that on brakes.  To get the bolts out weld something to the head of the nut that you can pull on.  Alternatively buy second hand axle ends from someone - they are much easier than doign a whole axle as you'll have all the fun of getting the trailing arms off.

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 13:51:15 »
it was out of a £19.99 toolkit rather than from my nice expensive set so no loss!
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2007, 14:24:06 »
cool... send me £19.99 and I'll send you some broken tools   :D
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 14:47:10 »
I've still got loads of useful tools left to break. the ratchet was only a small part of it
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