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Vam:
True the 110 CSW does look impossing, but 2 doors down from us they have a great big bloody BMW which takes up just as room as the landy, it's just not as high!
GGrrrrrrr...... Idiots they just don't 'think' do they? #-o
On the plus there was an artical on newsbeat radio1 last week about 4x4's and emmissions - was pleasantly surprised that the conclusion was...
Although some of them are older vehicals (obvious reference to the landrover group) which aren't fitted with the upto date gizmos that reduce pollution, on the whole 4x4s tend to produce no more nasty emmissions than the boyracers in ford festers etc, as (here's the good bit :lol: ) they tend to be better drivers, and are more fuel effienciency conscience.
First positive 4x4 news thingy I've heard :lol:
Vam
muddyweb:
In my view, the "Older Vehicles" should be getting tax breaks.
Yes, my 90 has a big engine in it, but it's well within the current legislative limits for emissions.... and more importantly.... the amount of energy and pollution required to make a new "environmentally freindly" vehicle is VAST... way more than my vehicle will churn out in it's life.
My LR is nearly 18 years old.... had I been changing every 3 years for the latest "green" car... I'd have had 6 vehicles !! Now that isn't more efficient, is it ?
Trouble is, most of what is discussed is not based on fact, or even a passing resemblance to fact... it's based on emotive, headline-grabbing opinion...
We've seen it many times before.... 4-star worse for the environment than unleaded !!! hah !
Vam:
That'd be a great idea about the tax break, though we have Blair to thank for the stop in Tax exempt status! :cry:
I seem to recall that on average it's something like 90% of the pollution caused in a cars average lifetime is done during the manufaturing process, which does make the 'older' vehical least green theory laughable :wink:
Also , cars are becoming more 'disposable', the average life span of a car is reducing, as more and more people want 'the latest model'
I think basically people feel guilty about the old cars polution thing, so need someone else to blame for the pollution when they use their cars, and 4x4 are the obvious target for that guilt.
Vam
V8MoneyPit:
--- Quote from: "muddyweb" ---.... the amount of energy and pollution required to make a new "environmentally freindly" vehicle is VAST... way more than my vehicle will churn out in it's life......
--- End quote ---
I think the survey you refer to came to the conclusion that it took 18 years of driving a modern family saloon to produce the same harmful emmisions as building it did. I'm with you on this one. Most older cars are well looked after and are therefore producing low harmful emmisions. The problem is all 'old cars' are lumped together by those that need false claims to help their cause. A battered old Sierra and a prestine Morris Minor are hardly in the same league.
Here's another, slightly off topic, stat.... if you fill a modern people carrier and drive it at 56mph, the occupants will breath out more CO2 than the car produces. It may not be true, but what a cracking good claim :lol:
davidlandy:
just read their website
what rubbish!
unbelieveable that they are also promoting 'mock' stickers for the borough councils - is this legal?
grrrrrrr
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