Topic: 200 V 300 tdi (Read 6806 times)

Xtremeteam · « **on:** January 11, 2007, 21:53:55 »

Been thinking how easy it would be to fit a 300 in to my 90 using the existing LT77 box,only things that would need changing are the engine mounts n pipe work etc,

any 1 got any input on whether the swap would be worth while or not?

extreme90 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 11, 2007, 21:55:27 »

200 :lol:

TDi90 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:02:07 »

i prefer the 200 :)

extreme90 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:06:47 »

o damn double post 200 :twisted:

TDi90 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:14:21 »

dan, that might be because we are a litle biased towards it?! lol seeing as we are both TDi men :lol:

Mudmonkey · « **Reply #5 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:16:24 »

300 lol :P

extreme90 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:16:34 »

:lol:
yea
but i got a 300disco

my 200 wins everytime, the disco got the cat and egr removed

dan

muck_truck · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:38:57 »

i like the 200 in my defender better than the 300 in the g/f's disco. It seems to pull much better and drive better. But then the defender is a lot lighter than disco.

extreme90 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:47:41 »

mine goes better than a 300disco and weighs more than a disco :oops: :lol:
bit bias, but 2BH both are damn fine engines, i just find this disco, you hit the throttle, you can sit there n watch your watch go by and nuffink happen then bang off you go, the 200 hit the throttle and its up and gone
ive never driven a 200 offroad tho, so it could be a different ball game, but am lead to believe 300tdis are alot better on hill climbs, but afink thats to do with the 300 running a higher std boost pressure over the 200
:?
my honest opinion now anyhows :lol:
dan

landraver · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2007, 22:57:54 »

Got a 300 at the mo, but I've had a couple of 200's & 4 other 300's. This 300 is the quickest I've had but its had a bit 'o tweakin'. I've never had a problem with either engine & would have a 200 again without hesitation, so I'd say keep the 200 til its knacked & then think about swapping.

Jeff

extreme90 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2007, 23:05:28 »

its mikes, it is knackerd :lol:
here we go now..... just wait, youll see what i mean

.......just opend a can of worms :oops: ...................

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2007, 23:08:21 »

Quote from: "thebiggreenthing"

its mikes, it is knackerd :lol:
here we go now..... just wait, youll see what i mean
.......just opend a can of worms :oops: ...................

your gonna die biatch....

how much u spent on ur truck & u cant even drive a nail into a bit o wood?

ur goin first at clog EVERYWHERE including the river,

extreme90 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 11, 2007, 23:13:53 »

peh w/e
youve just volunteered to be the marker boi

il attach you to the cage via so marlow line, so when i sink at lease everone will no my vessles position and the hazard will be marked in the correct manner :lol:
dan

joker777 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2007, 08:49:35 »

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Porny · « **Reply #14 on:** January 12, 2007, 10:47:13 »

I'd go for a Td5!!...

Failing that, I prefer my 300Tdi over my older 200Tdi... both good engines, but the 300 is a bit less tractor like.

A standard, a 300Tdi (in a Defender) is more powerful that a 200Tdi! - but a simple tweak and they both produce about the same power.

My 300TDi will be going even better soon - will hopefully have all the mods done for Mikes rolling road day... well that's the plan

- in saying that, it's going to cost me quite a bit in diesel!!.

A 300Tdi onto a LT77 isn't hard... you just need the rear cover (i.e. the flywheel housing) off a pre 300Tdi engine.
Then it's just the mounts, and pipework as mentioned - and ideally another Radiator (as 200 and 300 are different) - and so is the intercooler, but AFAIK you've already got a big Allisport Jobbie.

Ian

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #15 on:** January 12, 2007, 15:18:43 »

Quote from: "Porny"

I'd go for a Td5!!...

Failing that, I prefer my 300Tdi over my older 200Tdi... both good engines, but the 300 is a bit less tractor like.

A standard, a 300Tdi (in a Defender) is more powerful that a 200Tdi! - but a simple tweak and they both produce about the same power.

My 300TDi will be going even better soon - will hopefully have all the mods done for Mikes rolling road day... well that's the plan - in saying that, it's going to cost me quite a bit in diesel!!.

A 300Tdi onto a LT77 isn't hard... you just need the rear cover (i.e. the flywheel housing) off a pre 300Tdi engine.
Then it's just the mounts, and pipework as mentioned - and ideally another Radiator (as 200 and 300 are different) - and so is the intercooler, but AFAIK you've already got a big Allisport Jobbie.

Ian

yup
its as simple as i thought it was then,got 2 spare rear housings of 200's,
have a full size allisport cooler,pipeworks not an issue,th PAS would be though :?

Porny · « **Reply #16 on:** January 12, 2007, 15:25:44 »

Quote from: "Redlinemike"

Quote from: "Porny"
I'd go for a Td5!!...

Failing that, I prefer my 300Tdi over my older 200Tdi... both good engines, but the 300 is a bit less tractor like.

A standard, a 300Tdi (in a Defender) is more powerful that a 200Tdi! - but a simple tweak and they both produce about the same power.

My 300TDi will be going even better soon - will hopefully have all the mods done for Mikes rolling road day... well that's the plan - in saying that, it's going to cost me quite a bit in diesel!!.

A 300Tdi onto a LT77 isn't hard... you just need the rear cover (i.e. the flywheel housing) off a pre 300Tdi engine.
Then it's just the mounts, and pipework as mentioned - and ideally another Radiator (as 200 and 300 are different) - and so is the intercooler, but AFAIK you've already got a big Allisport Jobbie.

Ian

yup
its as simple as i thought it was then,got 2 spare rear housings of 200's,
have a full size allisport cooler,pipeworks not an issue,th PAS would be though :?

Pas not too bad, could virtually run the 300tdi set up - and just have a couple of the pipes lengthened to suit.

Ian

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #17 on:** January 12, 2007, 15:30:30 »

just fitted a brand new PAs box so im no changing it lol,might need to get some Hyd hoses made up longer to suit

Porny · « **Reply #18 on:** January 12, 2007, 15:53:23 »

Quote from: "Redlinemike"

just fitted a brand new PAs box so im no changing it lol,might need to get some Hyd hoses made up longer to suit

Box is the same (as long as a 6 or 4 bolt)... so only new pipes.

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #19 on:** January 12, 2007, 15:56:34 »

Quote from: "Porny"

Quote from: "Redlinemike"
just fitted a brand new PAs box so im no changing it lol,might need to get some Hyd hoses made up longer to suit

Box is the same (as long as a 6 or 4 bolt)... so only new pipes.

just my luck than as its a 3 bolt setup :roll:

Porny · « **Reply #20 on:** January 12, 2007, 16:01:29 »

Quote from: "Redlinemike"

just my luck than as its a 3 bolt setup :roll:

3 bolt has a different thread... so you'll have to have a custom set of pipes made.

Ian

unknownmanxman · « **Reply #21 on:** January 12, 2007, 16:22:08 »

200 and 300 tdi have the same power.. its just the 300tdi is a more refined engine...

Porny · « **Reply #22 on:** January 12, 2007, 16:40:26 »

Quote from: "unknownmanxman"

200 and 300 tdi have the same power.. its just the 300tdi is a more refined engine...

Sorry... but no they don't!!

- especially not in a Defender!

A Defender 200Tdi - 107bhp and 188lbft of torque

A Discovery 200Tdi - 111bhp and 198lbft or torque (hence why it's called a 200)

Defender and Discovery 300Tdi's...
Both have 111bhp and 205lbft of torque (in theory)

That's only the manuals too... Auto's produce a bit more.

Ian

(aka geek :(stoopid): )

extreme90 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 12, 2007, 20:56:37 »

mike remember the other night when i sed my 90 is gonna blow up, cos its running to good
:roll:
wel it has

noticed a puddle under it at a friends house walking upto it,
so scrawled underneath, all water running from turbo side :roll: o dear not good, so up with bonnet and out with torch and there it lies

i nice evil looking crack in the block, inbertween no 2 and 3 core plug

good job the spare engine was going in, in the next few weeks :lol:
so, go on have a giggle
afink the overheat the other week has sprung it :roll:
dan

Xtremeteam · « **Reply #24 on:** January 12, 2007, 21:01:50 »

Quote from: "thebiggreenthing"

mike remember the other night when i sed my 90 is gonna blow up, cos its running to good
:roll:
wel it has
noticed a puddle under it at a friends house walking upto it,
so scrawled underneath, all water running from turbo side :roll: o dear not good, so up with bonnet and out with torch and there it lies i nice evil looking crack in the block, inbertween no 2 and 3 core plug
good job the spare engine was going in, in the next few weeks :lol:
so, go on have a giggle
afink the overheat the other week has sprung it :roll:
dan

dont worry dan

thats 4 200tdi blocks ive seen crack in that area :lol: :lol:

extreme90 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 12, 2007, 21:16:37 »

wel it was coming out in the next couple of weeks so its no gr8 hardship to move it forward, just awaiting me clutch from good old liz at the green and yellow shop :lol:
sod both the 2's and 3's let get a proper engine, 2.8hpt iveco :twisted:
dan

joker777 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 13, 2007, 08:04:33 »

Quote from: "Porny"

Quote from: "unknownmanxman"
200 and 300 tdi have the same power.. its just the 300tdi is a more refined engine...

Sorry... but no they don't!! - especially not in a Defender!

A Defender 200Tdi - 107bhp and 188lbft of torque

A Discovery 200Tdi - 111bhp and 198lbft or torque (hence why it's called a 200)

Defender and Discovery 300Tdi's...
Both have 111bhp and 205lbft of torque (in theory)

That's only the manuals too... Auto's produce a bit more.

Ian

(aka geek :(stoopid): )

off topic slightly but were is the power and torque being lost on the 90? zorst?

extreme90 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2007, 12:37:16 »

the z shape bend of end of the turbo, restrics it abit,
well in my opinion, but i stand to be corrected :lol:
over to you ian.........
:lol:
dan

Miniman · « **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2007, 17:34:05 »

All right fellas. Yo mike why ya thinking about a change is your tired or [!Expletive Deleted!]. My 200tdi is tops now but I am in 2 minds if to sell it and buy newer. It dont lack any power but I can be bothered to do the transfer box. I am sick of the gearing as I still got the 2.5 N/A box.... Its just not got any motorway cruse..... Anyhow here is what I just bought SWMBO

simonred90 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 14, 2007, 19:02:23 »

200s are better, simpler, and moe resistant to abuse and overheating.
i got a 200 in my offroader and a 300 in my road defender. 200 eats it.

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AuthorTopic: 200 V 300 tdi (Read 6806 times)