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Mudlark:
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Hi Red at a guess (which probably mean I'll be put down :roll: ) I'd say that the 9500 is the same as a GEW with just another badge on so you could take your answer from Bulli above OK if you're not going anywhere in a hurry or don't want to use it for an extended length of time :lol: :lol:
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Cheers Mudlark
So would one of the bigger winches from ebay fall into this category of being slow and OK for short use ie just for occasional recovery not challenge duties :?: or are there other snags with the cheaper winches (i've read through this post but you guys seem to be discussing the suitability of winches for competition work, are solenoids etc still a problem on these winches if used for occasional recovery) A slower winch would be fine for what i want.....I think :?
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The branded electric winches that are coming in from germany seem to be selling at the rate of around 2 per day at between £150 - £250 plus postage at 12,000 lbs doesn't sound bad - Motor might probably be a bit iffy but should fit in with, and is probably no different from, a lot of the chineese ones. Soleniods will be a problem on any winch if you don't use it right If you don't try switching a solenoid with a full load on the rope you shouldn't get a problem in other words slack off the load before taking it up this allows the contactors to pass less current reducing the size of the contact destroying spark that occurs.
Mudlark:
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--- Quote from: "smo" ---Hydraulic winches are a different league all together. They come in 2 forms.
1) Slow and reliable, they will pull and pull and pull all day long, they dont overheat (when installed properly), they rarely stall (never herd of it but covering my ass here) and they will genuinely pull to and beyond their rated capacity. The limiting factor is usually the pump.
2) Bloody fast and areliable, like the type R and other modded winches, except once again they pull and pull beyond the capabilities of an 8274, they can even go faster and certainly pull stronger than an 8274 and once again they dont overheat, or eat batteries/solenoids! The downside is you need a beefy pump, usually either PTO or crank chain driven, but thats ok cos once its setup properly itll do everything a twin motor modded warn could do and more :D
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So where does 10 feet per minute (fpm) fit in is that fast or slow?
What fpm constitutes fast and what fpm constitutes slow?
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Thats relatively slow, but is that under full (12,000lbs) load or is it freespooling?
Milemarkers (being the most common hydraulic winches seen) are slow out of the box, they have numerous restrictions, the pumps are poor, PAS pump, or the ZF pump are ok for occasional use but serious stuff needs pto or crank driven motor, then with a decent spool valve and other mods you can really make them fly :D
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That is full load using the ZF 74 pump, so with the milemarker it's just a case of upgrading the pump and control valve to allow greater flow I assume?
muddyweb:
--- Quote from: "Mudlark" ---That is full load using the ZF 74 pump, so with the milemarker it's just a case of upgrading the pump and control valve to allow greater flow I assume?
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To a degree, yes. I know a couple of guys with heavily modified Type R winches which work very well... but it's not a cheap option by any stretch... you have to be serious about your winching to warrant it :-)
When you start to run the hydraulics to those sort of speeds / pressures, you need to get some oil cooling in there, and usually a decent sized oil reservoir too.
You also need to make sure your vehicle is up to the job... sounds a bit daft but when you get to a hydraulic winch that pulls that hard and fast, then you need to be sure that all the mountings and associated hardware is seriously well attached... not the time for a 150 quid cheap winch bumper :shock:
redneck:
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Hi Red at a guess (which probably mean I'll be put down :roll: ) I'd say that the 9500 is the same as a GEW with just another badge on so you could take your answer from Bulli above OK if you're not going anywhere in a hurry or don't want to use it for an extended length of time :lol: :lol:
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Cheers Mudlark
So would one of the bigger winches from ebay fall into this category of being slow and OK for short use ie just for occasional recovery not challenge duties :?: or are there other snags with the cheaper winches (i've read through this post but you guys seem to be discussing the suitability of winches for competition work, are solenoids etc still a problem on these winches if used for occasional recovery) A slower winch would be fine for what i want.....I think :?
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The branded electric winches that are coming in from germany seem to be selling at the rate of around 2 per day at between £150 - £250 plus postage at 12,000 lbs doesn't sound bad - Motor might probably be a bit iffy but should fit in with, and is probably no different from, a lot of the chineese ones. Soleniods will be a problem on any winch if you don't use it right If you don't try switching a solenoid with a full load on the rope you shouldn't get a problem in other words slack off the load before taking it up this allows the contactors to pass less current reducing the size of the contact destroying spark that occurs.
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Thanks Mudlark
I might go for one of the cheap 12000lbs ones off ebay that way it'll have a bigger motor and wire rope and should be overated for what I want it to do, should stand a better chance of lasting a bit longer..........possibly.......maybe :?
Mudlark:
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--- Quote from: "Mudlark" ---
--- Quote from: "redneck" ---
--- Quote from: "Mudlark" ---
Hi Red at a guess (which probably mean I'll be put down :roll: ) I'd say that the 9500 is the same as a GEW with just another badge on so you could take your answer from Bulli above OK if you're not going anywhere in a hurry or don't want to use it for an extended length of time :lol: :lol:
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Cheers Mudlark
So would one of the bigger winches from ebay fall into this category of being slow and OK for short use ie just for occasional recovery not challenge duties :?: or are there other snags with the cheaper winches (i've read through this post but you guys seem to be discussing the suitability of winches for competition work, are solenoids etc still a problem on these winches if used for occasional recovery) A slower winch would be fine for what i want.....I think :?
--- End quote ---
The branded electric winches that are coming in from germany seem to be selling at the rate of around 2 per day at between £150 - £250 plus postage at 12,000 lbs doesn't sound bad - Motor might probably be a bit iffy but should fit in with, and is probably no different from, a lot of the chineese ones. Soleniods will be a problem on any winch if you don't use it right If you don't try switching a solenoid with a full load on the rope you shouldn't get a problem in other words slack off the load before taking it up this allows the contactors to pass less current reducing the size of the contact destroying spark that occurs.
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Thanks Mudlark
I might go for one of the cheap 12000lbs ones off ebay that way it'll have a bigger motor and wire rope and should be overated for what I want it to do, should stand a better chance of lasting a bit longer..........possibly.......maybe :?
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It'll last a lifetime if you don't use it :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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