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rangerider:
If the rider thought genuinely thought they were on private land with permission of the owner fair enough. Otherwise all points are Null & void.
even if the bridleway was a boat the bike & rider were still illegal!
there is however still a big but as regards the private land issue. the presence of a track implies public access, hence the road traffice act still applies.
Doubtless terminus (please do) will happily correct me should I be wrong on this point.
I can appreciate and forgive that genuine mistakes can and do happen, but in this case the bike was known to be not road legal, that allone renders any mistake argument pointless when it comes to any highway, be it a bridleway, boat, orpa or the M1.
johnniep:
--- Quote from: "rangerider" ---If the rider thought genuinely thought they were on private land with permission of the owner fair enough. Otherwise all points are Null & void.
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even with that, you would think that was o.k, but recently a local farmer had the police aroundhis farm tracking down his son for driving around his feild, this was at 3pm in the afternoon, his son was driving a metro round the feild, and the police said he couldnt do it!
that puts that out of the window as well then!
Terminus:
--- Quote from: "johnniep" ---im sorry, but has anyone atcually checked the bhp of a yzf250? what year is it, because i would be supprised if it did excel 33bhp! as you can get up to 400/450/500cc bikes still only just crossing the 33bhp mark!
and also, down here many bridleways merge into byways and so on and so forth! quite often without clear signs! and what would they rather, they where terroriseing people ina shopping mall, settig light to cars, or riding a bike up and down a lane! thats my view on it! it keeps them out the way most of the time!
How many people on here con honestly say they have never broekn the law regarding not driveing/rideing somewhere they shouldnt? or driveing something they where not licensed to? be it forklift truck or 1000cc superbike?
thats my stick to stir up the hornets nest!
cheers now!
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Whatever the BHP it still doesn't make the bike insured or taxed or roadworthy.
Terrorising people in shopping malls or setting light to cars erm.. ok no more TV for you today :lol: are you really trying to say if someone wasn't out on their uninsured untaxed bike where they shouldn't be they'd be burning cars and terrorising people? There are already tracks for these bikes to be used by sensible people - after all in the initial article the owner often uses such tracks so there really isn't an excuse.
Oh and erm as to the last point *hate me if you want* but ...... Raises hand to the "never broekn the law regarding not driveing/rideing somewhere they shouldnt? or driveing something they where not licensed to? be it forklift truck or 1000cc superbike?" :)
Rich_P:
--- Quote from: "johnniep" ---
--- Quote from: "rangerider" ---If the rider thought genuinely thought they were on private land with permission of the owner fair enough. Otherwise all points are Null & void.
--- End quote ---
even with that, you would think that was o.k, but recently a local farmer had the police aroundhis farm tracking down his son for driving around his feild, this was at 3pm in the afternoon, his son was driving a metro round the feild, and the police said he couldnt do it!
that puts that out of the window as well then!
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Someone had to have complained to have the Police there though. :wink:
Terminus:
--- Quote from: "rangerider" ---If the rider thought genuinely thought they were on private land with permission of the owner fair enough. Otherwise all points are Null & void.
even if the bridleway was a boat the bike & rider were still illegal!
there is however still a big but as regards the private land issue. the presence of a track implies public access, hence the road traffice act still applies.
Doubtless terminus (please do) will happily correct me should I be wrong on this point.
I can appreciate and forgive that genuine mistakes can and do happen, but in this case the bike was known to be not road legal, that allone renders any mistake argument pointless when it comes to any highway, be it a bridleway, boat, orpa or the M1.
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You're basically correct if it has right of access to the public then it is covered by the road traffic act .. if it is private with no right of access then it's not.
A road or any place to which the public have a right of access.
You can be charged with driving on a place other than a public road - e.g through a town park or on a field to which the public have a right of access.
Edit - just to clarify my last point i'm not saying you'll get charged for driving in a field you have permission to be in if the public can access it I am saying the road traffic laws still apply where the public have a right of access.
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