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A crushing blow
att:
--- Quote from: "Bulli" ---sorry ATT but by allowing it you condone it.
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I have no choice, I value my own life and that of the one`s that I love......That is the reality.......And, I know it is a sad one, once again, wear my shoes for a while, see what your real feelings are then.
We do not live in a perfect society, we do not live in a just society, we do not live in a protective or free society, we live in a corrupt society and that is controlled by psychological and physical boundaries.....You may wish to turn a blind eye, that is your perogative......And there is nothing wrong with that.
Bulli:
Att i understand what you are saying.And yes it is wrong i know i wouldnt want to be in that position but its harldy a generalisation. I have never seen anything that i was unable to freely talk about.I think i am very much in the majority.
what would stop me driving down to you now and having a face to face debate about this?
Nothing. My point is that i quite fancy a pint and nothing and nobody would stop me if thats what i want to do.
I can leave my house now, in an hour. Whenever i am not dictated to.
I can drink when i want , i can eat when i want . I can talk to who i want and most importantly i can say what i want.
Yes if i say something extreme then i should be held accountable but that is hardly a dictatorship is it?
Now BOB will dress that up that restricing my extreme views for the general good is the slippery slope into a dictatorship.
I dont think it is.
Bob696:
--- Quote ---Now BOB will dress that up that restricing my extreme views for the general good is the slippery slope into a dictatorship.
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No it wouldnt for one simple fact ... you are in favour of ristricting the options of the people and letting them suffer justice on the cheap, the powers that be wouldnt want to shut you up but that is by the by.
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This was simply about if its right or wrong to destroy anothers property.
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I would dispute that as the phrase "it's one of those situations where the police are judge and jury which doesn't seem at all right. " appears half way down the first page.
I REALLY REALLY hope you are right about it never happening, the chances of it happening totaly in my life is slim but the ONLY way to make sure it never happens is not to give the police the power to do it in the first place.
Police powers are expanding there can be little doubt about that. There can also be little doubt that peoples options for doing something different to the 'norm' are also being reduced (most guns being banned after dunblain yet gun crime rises significantly anyway, fox hunting, NERC for example). The goverment want us to work pay taxes go home and watch telly and then die. I really do hope it isnt a trend but I fear it is.
I hated Thather when I was young but at least she was honest unlike these toerags we have at the moment.
att:
--- Quote from: "Bulli" ---Att i understand what you are saying.And yes it is wrong i know i wouldnt want to be in that position but its harldy a generalisation. I have never seen anything that i was unable to freely talk about.I think i am very much in the majority.
what would stop me driving down to you now and having a face to face debate about this?
Nothing. My point is that i quite fancy a pint and nothing and nobody would stop me if thats what i want to do.
I can leave my house now, in an hour. Whenever i am not dictated to.
I can drink when i want , i can eat when i want . I can talk to who i want and most importantly i can say what i want.
Yes if i say something extreme then i should be held accountable but that is hardly a dictatorship is it?
Now BOB will dress that up that restricing my extreme views for the general good is the slippery slope into a dictatorship.
I dont think it is.
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You can leave your house whenever you like, but once you go into a town or city or in your vehicle, your movements are being monitored...24/7.
They can track you wherever you go, use your bank card or credit card, you leave a footprint, e mail anybody, they are lawfully allowed to monitor your personal e mail.
They know where you shop, where you buy petrol, where you go for your holidays, where you work and for how long, they know everything about you and then that is sold to corporations for vast sums of money.
The Supermarkets are allowed to fine you for parking in their car parks for more than the alloted time, they know this because the DVLA sold them your details, everything you do is monitored.....Why do you think that they do this?....For our own good, no, because they can profit from it and if needs be intensify the surveillance at the flick of a switch.
Bulli:
Att , yes they have this ability. I have worked for one huge corporation until recently and we never had any details from the government. I know , i had access to the full database of over 15million people. This came from us , internally . All these people are or had been customers.
Who are these corporations? Who would want your financial information more than a Bank?? Coca cola so they can sell you more stuff? Rubbish.
Yes ANPR exists the company i now work for have done work for the main manufacturer. they could easily be misused but they are used to find the very people this thread is about. People who flaunt the laws by driving without Tax and insurance...a good thing as far as i am concerned.
The conjestion charge doesnt have much of an affect on Sheffiled but i know that too may be coming, good ...i use my bike the road will be safer.
If this vigialnce helped in some way stop the recent would be bombers then im all for it. I will be the first to shout when the elected government of this country use this to oppress the law abiding man.
Yes Bob im no fan of Nerc. I would hope that long term things will become more rational but fear they wont.
Yes Thatcher was harsh but what she said she did . You have to respect that .
The current lot are next to useless, you never know the gneral election may see a change in government...i doubt little will change then either.
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No it wouldnt for one simple fact ... you are in favour of ristricting the options of the people and letting them suffer justice on the cheap, the powers that be wouldnt want to shut you up but that is by the by.
err...in your words.
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PLEASE read what I write NOT what you think I have written.
No im not . Im not in favour of you and me paying to waste time for someone who is clearly guilty. The bike must have been recovered at the time of the incident. The Bike would have not bene moved as the 17 year old was there. He doesnt dispute where he was and cannot show he had insurance or a licence. case closed.
Yes it is justice on the cheap, cheaper for you and me. If he had a case he would be able to appeal it...he doesnt.So please dont misquote me. The law is the law, we arent debating shades of grey.
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