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A crushing blow
Bob696:
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But driving without insurance or tax for example there are absolutely No excuses for ... there is no misunderstanding here everyone knows its illegal - there should be no opportunity for repeat offence in regard to these matters. As i said above when your car or loved one is wiped out by an unisured driver .. maybe then you'll wish the opportunity for them to do it again is not there.
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From the first post
--- Quote ---Although he was unaware that the gravel path was a public highway, and there were no signs to warn him, an officer confiscated the vehicle and one ridden by his friend, on the spot.
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So the police confiscate ALL untaxed vehicles on the spot and crush them I assume from what you say. Is this correct?
errrrrr ... no I didnt think so. Therefore the police are acting as sanctioned 'vigalanties' deciding who gets punished and in what way. If this wasnt the case then ALL untaxed vehicals would be crushed (even a £40k BMW) if found without a SORN OR everyone would be taken to court.
What we have instead is individual police officers interpreting the directions of their Chief Constable (or whoever) as to who is entitled to 'due process'. "Little scrote gave me some lip I'll have his car crushed, nice guy in a nice suit just forgot, he can pay a fine".
I wonder how long it will be until the PC can decide on the fine?
ps can't be bothered to run a spell check
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Terminus:
--- Quote from: "drmike" ---It's the times when we're assured there are so many warnings ignored etc. that worry me - no I don't know about these warning being ignored as they have not gone through the public courts.Mike
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I can understand your worries but you don't see things from inside the organisation - long gone are the days of Police being able to do as they pleased, everything is about accountability (as it should be) in every single instance the Police have to be able to justify and prove that their actions were lawful. Trust me it's not worth doing something that costs you your job these days... because when a cop breaks the law - the law kicks them harder than they would a general member of the public, because it would be an abuse of trust.
Terminus:
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From the first post
--- Quote ---Although he was unaware that the gravel path was a public highway, and there were no signs to warn him, an officer confiscated the vehicle and one ridden by his friend, on the spot.
--- End quote ---
So the police confiscate ALL untaxed vehicles on the spot and crush them I assume from what you say. Is this correct?
errrrrr ... no I didnt think so. Therefore the police are acting as sanctioned 'vigalanties' deciding who gets punished and in what way. If this wasnt the case then ALL untaxed vehicals would be crushed (even a £40k BMW) if found without a SORN OR everyone would be taken to court.
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Bob yet again you missed the point .... the bike was a trials bike it cannot be insured it cannot be taxed or MOT'd ... it should not be ridden in any public place other than a track designed for it ... not even a gravel track because by law if the place is open to the public to walk or be present it has the same laws as a road.
So regardles of him thinking it was a gravel track or a trail - it is open to the public the law regards insurance applies - to protect the public from being knocked down and injured by an uninsured rider
Edit - it's nothing to do with it being a public highwaty - it is illegal to drive on a road or other public place without insurance covering third party risks for that vehicle.[/b]
Bulli:
MIke I think Terminus is saying that it is made pretty clear to the general public that the police now have the power to crush cars/bikes. The people who fall prey to this are not ignorant of the fact. This is advertised on tv and in the paper.
If you watch the police stop type programs you see evidence of it all the time.I have lost count of the times that i have seen the police stop disqualified drivers on those shows - multiple repeat offernder , the police even recognise them when they drive past! These people have proved they have no respect for the law or you and me for that matter.
I got knocked off my bike about 8 years ago , the driver of the nova that pulled out on me left me for dead at the scene. I ended up about 2500 out of pocket after all my expenses and thank god i got paid whilst i was off. I would happily watch them crush peoples cars who dont have the correct documentation as i believe that the guy who could easily have killed me was one of them. If he did he would have stopped and helped me until the paramedics arrived......... next time it could be any of us... crush em its that simple. Maybe if they extend it out to drink drivers then we might see a decline in this stupid, dangerous, ar**hole activity.
drmike:
The mitigtaing circumsatnaces I was thinking of were going away for 4 weeks. Tax due 3 weeks into that 4 week period.
I don't think you can renew before you go.
You can't renew while you're away.
Busted.
But I could be wrong.
Mike
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