Chat & Social > The Bar - General Chat
A crushing blow
drmike:
--- Quote from: Terminus ---
People seem determined to simplify the law to oh you did bad me crush car - but it in reality is nothing like that - there are chances to stop the action which may lead to crushing etc.... but in document offences (no licence no insurance not mot or tax) - you deserve to have it crushed outright - because there is no excuse for stealing from the public purse - we pay so should you (you in the rhetorical not an aimed comment there) :wink:
--- End quote ---
Hmm, then why have I got the impression from press releases made by the police and others that they will catch transgressors and crush their vehicle? There have been reports in the press and elsewhere of the authorities which includes the police amongst others having a push on illegal driving and cars being crushed? Why does the DVLA show pictures of sad chavs watching their car being taken away to be crushed - with a tagline along the lines of don't pay your tax and we'll crush your car?
It seems that someone wants it all ways - and I'm not suggesting you do Terminus - both looking tough but tempering it with crushing being the net result of repeat offences or flagrant flouting of the law.
I'm not criticising the police for applying the law, I'm moaning because I was stupid enough to let such laws be passed. Now the genie is out of the bottle will it ever be shoved back in - not probable I'd say.
Mike
drmike:
--- Quote from: Bob696 ---
--- Quote ---No when you are proven guilty it is for reasons
--- End quote ---
But nobody has proven you guilty, someone has decided your are guilty. There is a BIG difference.
--- End quote ---
I agree that is the big difference.
As before: he had the gun in his hand it was still smoking he must be guilty.
Has no-one here read the Father Brown stories?
Mike
Terminus:
--- Quote from: "drmike" ---Hmm, then why have I got the impression from press releases made by the police and others that they will catch transgressors and crush their vehicle? There have been reports in the press and elsewhere of the authorities which includes the police amongst others having a push on illegal driving and cars being crushed? Why does the DVLA show pictures of sad chavs watching their car being taken away to be crushed - with a tagline along the lines of don't pay your tax and we'll crush your car?Mike
--- End quote ---
The warning in respect of untaxed vehicles is there stark and clear - you shouldn't be driving it untaxed it's illegal and it cheats those of us who do pay tax - so if the car gets crushed who is to blame? the Police...no, The law....no, The person who ignored the warning ... yes.
Police will always have a push on illegal drivers and if they decide its worth the risk then so be it - it's their vehicle it's their risk.
I hear day in day out about how an uninsured driver has hit someone's car and they are left with the bill because there is no insurance to pay up..... It's all very well saying oh but you can't crush their car --- that is until it's you complaining that you car has been written off by a clown with no insurance .... suddenly it's my car is ruined and what are the Police doing about it?
It's certain members of the public who want it all ways and will never be happy ...not even when they are the ones who vote in the government who created the law.
The two above examples are absolutes, its not about tempering it with failure to desist or repeat offending this applies to different crimes where there is an element of "I didn't realise I shouldn't be there" etc ... these elements you will find (or possibly not because the real facts of any given matter are seldom reported for you to read) open to initial warnings and when warnings are ignored - squish.
But driving without insurance or tax for example there are absolutely No excuses for ... there is no misunderstanding here everyone knows its illegal - there should be no opportunity for repeat offence in regard to these matters. As i said above when your car or loved one is wiped out by an unisured driver .. maybe then you'll wish the opportunity for them to do it again is not there.
Edit - bottom line if you want to change something you have to step up to the play - whether that be the power of your vote, counter action in court, exercising your right to peacefull protest or joining the old bill.
I stepped up to the play in my way and I'v never regretted it no matter how many times people generalise. There will always be those who disagree and those who agree, but in the end people do the job so others don't have to. Not everyone wants to see some of the things that really go on in life.
I don't want a pat on the back or a blue peter badge - it's my job (I get paid to do it) and I do it primarily because I love it and I see a side of life I doubt I could ever explain to you, that might explain why some laws may not seem fair but without them you'd be less happy than you think.
I see both sides of the public opinion and that includes my own (I worked for over 9 years before joining) Truth is nobody is ever going to be happy there will always be something one agrees with that another dislikes - ah well whatcha gonna do? :wink: :lol:
drmike:
I actually agree with what you regarding driving uninsured vehicles and unroadworthy vehicles and I can see what you're saying about these being absolutes. I can understand the purpose of such laws but I don't accept that there are never mitigating circumstances.
It's the times when we're assured there are so many warnings ignored etc. that worry me - no I don't know about these warning being ignored as they have not gone through the public courts.
Once again - I'm not digging at the police I'm regretting the laws that have been passed and it as you say all our own fault.
Mike
Terminus:
Sorry I was adding an edit to the above post when you posted the last one.
There are no mitigating circumstances driving without tax or insurance, people know they should have it - there is absolutely no reason on the planet to drive without them.
and .... I know you're not digging at the Police :wink:
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
[*] Previous page
Go to full version