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A crushing blow
Bob696:
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People make mistakes, the legislation is not there to punish people for making errors by taking a wrong turn. The power to confiscate is there to stop people doing the same thing over and over again. This youth would have wet himself if he had got a warning and would have been out again the following day. lets face it the police are stretched way too thin and he knows the odds of being caught again are slim.
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just to quote myself
--- Quote ---It is all too easy to argue that a law will "never be used that way" but given time it can and probably will.
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drmike:
I see that there are proposals being discussed to give still more power to the police to apply penalties without the need to go court. I think I'm right in saying that a group of police officers suggested that this was inappropriate which I thought was very interesting.
I'm afraid I agree that because a law hasn't been used in a particular way the the potential for what might be abuse is there and hence it is a 'bad thing'.
Didn't they pass some law that allowed existing legislation to be ammended at the discretion of the government at the time without the need to go back to parliament? They kept on banging on that this would never be abused but the potential is there and there'd be nothing you could do about it.
I can see why these laws are passed and the powers granted, and I can see the intention is good and positive. It's possibly fine today with today's circumstances, quality of personnel and responsible chain of command or politicians (although frankly in the case of politicians I doubt it). But what about in a few year's time can we still be sure the same high standards will apply or that political pressure forces different decisions?
What can we do about it? Vote the current lot of politicians out - won't they be replaced by another lot who'll do much the same? It really is very worrying but I suppose it was ever thus.
Mike
quoman:
the fact remains that laws are there for the good of everybody,ok there will allways be a bad apple,but that should,nt stop us trusting the police,if that day arrives.................the law breaker has won,and do we realy want that
drmike:
--- Quote from: "quoman" ---the fact remains that laws are there for the good of everybody,ok there will allways be a bad apple,but that should,nt stop us trusting the police,if that day arrives.................the law breaker has won,and do we realy want that
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That's not the point- should we be permitting laws to be passed that don't allow people the chance to put their case in court?
Trusting the police is a side issue - should we trust the politicians' motives for granting the police these powers?
Indeed are all laws for the good of all of us or for the convenience of the establishment? I can't think of an example but I bet others can of legislation that makes life easier for the government local or national rather than for the general public? Possibly an example close to home: the powers granted to National Parks who can now TRO on their own say so?
Mike
Bob696:
--- Quote ---makes life easier for the government local or national rather than for the general public?
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Speed cameras and associated laws? Bought in on safety grounds but have led to a reduction in traffic cops (who actualy catch people without liscences) and have proved to be one hell of a revenue earner (which the dishonest motorist dosnt pay as they havn't registered the car to themselves).
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