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MrTFWitt:
They could buy something American I suppose.
But instead they seem to have opted to spend £85,000,000 refubishing some 40 year old FV430's instead.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199900/ldhansrd/pdvn/lds06/text/60612-01.htm
PUX:
--- Quote from: "MrTFWitt" ---They could buy something American I suppose.
But instead they seem to have opted to spend £85,000,000 refubishing some 40 year old FV430's instead.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199900/ldhansrd/pdvn/lds06/text/60612-01.htm
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dude the 43 family was designed in the ww2 but built in the fiftys so its much older than 40 years old, i have been on exercise in a 434 and its been with a battle group consiting of warriors and challengers there all speeding along while we are just plodding along always trying to play catch up :shock: eva seen wot a 7.62mm round can do to a 43 :shock: time the defence people woke up and do a tour in iraq/afgahnistan i bet we would have the kit by next week :evil:
smo:
85million on bodging very old vehicles to make them half decent, what a waste of money..AGAIN!
Just like the crappy SA80, which should have been melted down and forgotten about, but no, lets spend hundreds of millions modifying them and then realise they are still crap, should have bought american M16's or somthing from H&K in Germany.
Our armed forces are a joke, they are run by a bynch of jumped up monkeys, the kit is crap, theres not enough of it and then the government goes and throws good money after bad on more crap instead of buying in good stuff to start with.
In fact the whole government is a bloody joke, but thats another thread altogether.
PUX:
--- Quote from: "smo" ---85million on bodging very old vehicles to make them half decent, what a f'ing waste of money..AGAIN!
Just like the crappy SA80, which should have been melted down and forgotten about, but no, lets spend hundreds of millions modifying them and then realise they are still crap, should have bought american M16's or somthing from H&K in Germany.
Our armed forces are a joke, they are run by a bynch of jumped up monkeys, the kit is crap, theres not enough of it and then the government goes and throws good money after bad on more crap instead of buying in good stuff to start with.
In fact the whole government is a bloody joke, but thats another thread altogether.
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ERRRM i take offence to u saying are armed forces are a joke and before u slag that rifle off have u used it!! all u have heard is wot the press has said, the rifle in my eyes is the best i have used m16's and there like a little toy the L85A2 aka the sa80 is a really good bit of kit i have personnely used it in anger and peace never let me down yet!!!! also the armed forces are not a joke we are a very highly trained professional bunch we are just let down sometimes buy the politicains!!! oh by the way the L85 A2 IS H&K and there british aerospace owned so HK is not german anymore!!!
smo:
--- Quote from: "PUX" ---
--- Quote from: "smo" ---85million on bodging very old vehicles to make them half decent, what a f'ing waste of money..AGAIN!
Just like the crappy SA80, which should have been melted down and forgotten about, but no, lets spend hundreds of millions modifying them and then realise they are still crap, should have bought american M16's or somthing from H&K in Germany.
Our armed forces are a joke, they are run by a bynch of jumped up monkeys, the kit is crap, theres not enough of it and then the government goes and throws good money after bad on more crap instead of buying in good stuff to start with.
In fact the whole government is a bloody joke, but thats another thread altogether.
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ERRRM i take offence to u saying are armed forces are a joke and before u slag that rifle off have u used it!! all u have heard is wot the press has said, the rifle in my eyes is the best i have used m16's and there like a little toy the L85A2 aka the sa80 is a really good bit of kit i have personnely used it in anger and peace never let me down yet!!!! also the armed forces are not a joke we are a very highly trained professional bunch we are just let down sometimes buy the politicains!!! oh by the way the L85 A2 IS H&K and there british aerospace owned so HK is not german anymore!!!
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion about everything, mine is the forces are a joke - that is not a personal insult at you or any other person in the serving military but as a whole its a bloody shambles.
Our forces are badly equipped and are told what to do by a government who couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery, needless to say we are puppets to the great old USofA's power mad maniac bush and simply follow like a flaming puppy on a lead into conflict after conflict where we really shouldnt be.
Yes i have used an SA80, am i in the forces...no, i did it as an engineering project where we scrutinised the design and flaws of several guns, mainly the SA80 and MP5. Whilst the L85A2 might be better, the L85A1 was pretty crap by all accounts and the money would have been better spent else where than re-manufacturing them all at great expense.
I'm also not sure that H&K are BAE owned, this hasnt been the case since 2002, when Royal Ordinance sold out to a consortium of one British and two German investors. So not very british, still very german and of course there is a massive US side to H&K too.
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