Topic: series smoking (Read 4472 times)

ross501 · « **on:** May 09, 2006, 20:08:22 »

i have a s eries 3 diesel which smokes at idel can anyone help on where i can get a injector pump or get 1 re conditioned

thaks ross

Miniman · « **Reply #1 on:** May 09, 2006, 20:25:07 »

Tell me more about it first as it may not be the injector pump at fault.
Also you will be paying around Ã‚Â£150 to Ã‚Â£250 to recon the pump..... :shock:

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 09, 2006, 20:49:14 »

usally if it is the pump it would smoke more when revved (usally, not always).
what colour is the smoke? are there any other symtoms?

Miniman · « **Reply #3 on:** May 09, 2006, 21:03:45 »

Nobody mention pump timing at this point. Is the motor a everyday motor or has it been stood for ages.....all very good questions what do you say Mark me old china......

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 09, 2006, 21:08:24 »

if the pump timing was out the smoke would get alot worse when revved or power is applied (up hill or somthing) probibly with some miss fireing.
from the info given, dont think its the pump. i would check else where first. but having said that engines never fail to suprise me, and it might be the pump for some reason.
but your right miniman the pump is probibly the single most expensive thing to have recon'd

Miniman · « **Reply #5 on:** May 09, 2006, 21:15:02 »

If its been stood for ages then the only cure for that is a good run....
My perkins had been stood for a year and it took a good few days of running to get it nice again.

I think a better explanation would help so when ya next on mate give us some more info and we will see if we can help a bit more.

If not then I am sure we can babble on and confuse you...he he

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 09, 2006, 21:23:26 »

Quote from: "Miniman"

If its been stood for ages then the only cure for that is a good run....
My perkins had been stood for a year and it took a good few days of running to get it nice again.

I think a better explanation would help so when ya next on mate give us some more info and we will see if we can help a bit more.

If not then I am sure we can babble on and confuse you...he he

yes i subscribe to the good thashing techique, it works wonders for most things.

and iam in a perminat state of confusion all the time. :lol:

ross501 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 11, 2006, 18:02:20 »

well its mainly when idel it has had a re boar all new pistons a rebuilt head does get used a fair bit but not everyday but at least every otherday just really annoying as i have almost a new engine now

ross501 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 11, 2006, 20:33:31 »

any help and all help is greatly apreciated changed the injectors the smoke does get worse up hill and it does not idel very well

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 12, 2006, 00:00:52 »

Quote from: "ross501"

any help and all help is greatly apreciated changed the injectors the smoke does get worse up hill and it does not idel very well

a bit of blackish smoke when powering up hill is normal, its the engine getting lots of fuel that it is burning, as oposed to white smoke which (if it not water of course) which is unburned fuel.
you say youve had the injectors done and its worse? did you have new nozles in the injectors? or just tested.
have you every had the pump off, is it timed right (as miniman said earlier)??

ross501 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 12, 2006, 19:21:29 »

the pump has been off and a landy place timed it after i put it on. the injectors are new ones and it did not dhang i get black smoke on hills

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2006, 19:07:03 »

after the landy place timed your pump did it run alright or has it got worse?
it might be worth altering the timing. can you see the timing line on the flat side where one of the 3 fixing nuts are. it should line up exactly where the mark is on the engine. if its not lined up then alter it. if it is lined up then you can try playing about, you wont hurt anything by doing so but do make sure you can put the pump back how it was if the fault doesnt get any better. but remember only move the pump a tiny bit at a time, theres only half a millimeter between the egine running sweet and smoke.

ross501 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2006, 20:50:22 »

i will try that at the moment it is right round to one way full advanced i believe

Canada Al · « **Reply #13 on:** May 13, 2006, 22:22:39 »

I agree with mark , I had the same problem with a 2 1/4 . lots of smoke on tick over but none when revving . It was pump timing . A tiny turn is all it took . This was after I had the pump recon done .
I have also had the problem of the pump being as far as it will turn in the slots and not quite timed . this turned out to be the pump timing gear which had been droped in 1 tooth out . ....Al

datalas · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2006, 09:29:34 »

again, what colour is the smoke ?

Black - Usually over fueled
Blue - Burning oil (rings, valve seals etc)
White - Water, head gasket ?
Green - stop filling it up with plutonium

ross501 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 15, 2006, 17:24:14 »

the pump timing gear has a big locator slot did not think it could be 1 tooth out the smoke is a grey colour had all new pistons and a new head and the smoke is the same

Miniman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 15, 2006, 17:35:48 »

When new pistons I presume it was honed out and the new rings fitted.
Another thing you dont think someone may have spiced ya tank for any reason. Its just a possibility

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #17 on:** May 15, 2006, 19:36:15 »

Quote from: "ross501"

i will try that at the moment it is right round to one way full advanced i believe

that is definatly wrong. the pump should be nearly in the middle. either the pump is faulty and someone has tryed to hide the fact with a quick fix, or as Al said the timing gear needs looking at. i think youll have to take the pump off and have it checked. we use LSUK for our deisel service, but there are loads of diesel workshops around. make sure you tell them the problems you have with it when you take it in, it gives the techs a clue on what to look for.

Canada Al · « **Reply #18 on:** May 17, 2006, 20:29:16 »

yes there is a keyway on the shaft so you can't get it in wrong , but on the other end of the shaft is a gear with about 12 teeth i think ( its been a while ) it is possible to get this in the wrong place as I have done it :oops:

ross501 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 17, 2006, 20:40:10 »

is that the timinig chain end how do i know if it is in the right place

Miniman · « **Reply #20 on:** May 17, 2006, 22:49:15 »

If you are on about the injector pump mine had about twelve teeth top and bottom and it was not possible to get it wrong mine is a 1975 3 bearing crank version.

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 18, 2006, 19:40:45 »

have you returned the pump timing to normal yet( line up the marks)
its possible some one has advanced the timing to get a bit more performance.

ross501 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 18, 2006, 21:02:49 »

i have tried the pump on the marks and it does not run very well

Miniman · « **Reply #23 on:** May 18, 2006, 21:06:48 »

sounds a bit poorly. I found that my series diesel started to run badly and needed to have me change the impeller blades on the top of the pump because they had worn so bad they was not passing the fuel correctly to the injectors..... I recon it probably be a good idea to get ya self a cheep second hand pump to try or borrow one to find out if its that at fault. Why not ask on MC if there is anyone who can lend ya one in your area to try.... You will be supprised.....

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 18, 2006, 21:56:35 »

Quote from: "ross501"

i have a s eries 3 diesel which smokes at idel can anyone help on where i can get a injector pump or get 1 re conditioned

thaks ross

after going round the houses, i think a recon pump would be inorder.

Miniman · « **Reply #25 on:** May 18, 2006, 21:58:31 »

but its at least Ã‚Â£150 just to get it reconed to find its not that.....ouch

Miniman · « **Reply #26 on:** May 18, 2006, 22:02:55 »

Has anybody mentioned injectors in this post. If not may be they are so badly worn that its over fueling. I got a second hand set from a mate for a tenner and they improved mine at the start so I bought all new.

mark.yellow.series.3 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 19, 2006, 18:46:42 »

Quote from: "Miniman"

Has anybody mentioned injectors in this post. If not may be they are so badly worn that its over fueling. I got a second hand set from a mate for a tenner and they improved mine at the start so I bought all new.

he had new injectors.

Miniman · « **Reply #28 on:** May 19, 2006, 19:09:06 »

OH....... Looks like he got a injetctor pump to borrow.......

ross501 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 19, 2006, 21:09:08 »

i have someone on here going to sell me a pump so hopefully may start getting somewhere and get some work done on the rest of it thanks for all the help it is appreciated so much

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