Topic: Another breakdown, but why? (Read 4067 times)

Leigh · « **on:** May 01, 2006, 21:53:04 »

Not really sure what went on the Disco today. Driviing along about 50 mph when suddenly my steering went funny. I swerved a bit and thought I had a blow out but minus a noise. When I pulled over tyres and wheels were fine but there was some sort of screeching/grinding coming from the front drivers side wheel when slowly driving forwards and in reverse. Any ideas what it could be?

I thought of the half shafts and the front diff but there was no noise or bangs when it happened. Everything looks ok from the outside and no play in the wheel.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Cheers

ade666 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2006, 21:57:06 »

hi mate, sounds like a wheel bearing to me. mine went same way. not to hard to change unless your unlucky like me and it welds its self to the stub axle, hub and anything else on the car (mine had)

Leigh · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2006, 22:01:14 »

Wouldn't there be some play in the wheel even when its on the ground if the wheel bearing has gone? I thought there was which is why I ruled that one out. I'm just in so will wait til tomorrow before I have a proper look.

Thanks for fast reply

ade666 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2006, 22:12:56 »

very true, mine was well wobble. land rovers can live with then, can't kill em

beast5680 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2006, 22:13:13 »

the wheel bearing may be partially seized so may not show up as any movement yet until it destroys itself completley

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2006, 01:47:27 »

The noise could be a UJ or wheel bearing but with the steering I'd be thinnking wheel bearing, the UJ is just not big enough to affect the steering quite that badly.

Leigh · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2006, 10:32:25 »

Thanks guys, I'll take the wheel off this afternoon and take a look. Is there anything I should be looking for in particular?

Cheers

Leigh · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2006, 21:20:42 »

It was definitly the bearings, took the hub off and the inner bearing just exploded. This is the remains

The inside of the bearing stayed in place and doesn't want to come off at all

How did you manage it? I've tried heating it up and it still wont budge.

Cheers

johnpirate · « **Reply #8 on:** May 02, 2006, 21:33:48 »

I've had this happen to me twice with rear bearings .Both times the inner race would not come off.I ended up buying second hand stub axles to get back on the road.I've kept one of the stubs and when I get chance I'm going to get my Dremel and grind through as gently as I can.

ade666 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 02, 2006, 22:16:07 »

first time i bought a new stub axle. second time i couldn't get any of it apart. lucky for me i'd bought a whole hub from eblag. get one from paddocks if you have no one local. chances are even if you get the race off the stub will be cream crackered

Leigh · « **Reply #10 on:** May 02, 2006, 22:28:59 »

I was hoping that wasn't going to be the case. I'll try cutting it off and see what condition the stub axle is in before ordering a new one. What sort of price should I expect?

ade666 · « **Reply #11 on:** May 02, 2006, 22:58:08 »

paddocks will do you one next day for Ã‚Â£50.00. you might find a second hand one local for less.

ben_haynes · « **Reply #12 on:** May 02, 2006, 23:40:02 »

Quote from: "What happened was......."

I was hoping that wasn't going to be the case. I'll try cutting it off and see what condition the stub axle is in before ordering a new one. What sort of price should I expect?

did you get it off leigh of not get the angle grinder and get it realy thin the with a sharp chissel hit it had and it should crack and go loose, mine did the same

Leigh · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2006, 00:37:03 »

Yep going to give that a go. Need it back on the road for Sunday :D

Range Rover Blues · « **Reply #14 on:** May 03, 2006, 02:12:11 »

Hammer and cold chisel, WEAR GLASSES. If you have a grinder then weaken the race but don't grind through it.

Unfortunately you may well find the race has scored the stub axle and the new bearing won't go back on, try it before assembling the hub and don't push it on too hard or you'll be splitting the new one with the chisel too.

You can try to file the surface back down to smooth if it's not too bad but I'd consider this a temporary measure as resurfacing the stub axle is not a satisfactory fix and the potential heat damage in a safety critical component would give me cause for concern too. Best to buy a S/H part even if you refurb it with a new bearing (if fitted) and oil seal as some of the pattern parts are not as strong as LR originals.

nickW · « **Reply #15 on:** May 03, 2006, 09:06:26 »

that looks like what happens to me, if the rear race wont come off then your stub axle will probably be knackered so you will need a new one

Leigh · « **Reply #16 on:** May 03, 2006, 12:14:37 »

Think I'll put a post in the wanted section just in case

nickW · « **Reply #17 on:** May 03, 2006, 12:18:06 »

Quote from: "ade666"

paddocks will do you one next day for Ã‚Â£50.00. you might find a second hand one local for less.

they are more than Ã‚Â£50 for a front one

this is what mine looked like once i had got the race off

Leigh · « **Reply #18 on:** May 03, 2006, 12:59:26 »

Hope mine wont be that bad :shock:

Just phoned Rockinham Landrovers and they quoted me Ã‚Â£35 plus vat

nickW · « **Reply #19 on:** May 03, 2006, 13:14:12 »

it will probably be worse if you can get the rear race off atal

BrumLee · « **Reply #20 on:** May 03, 2006, 14:53:11 »

Must be catching :shock: Had exactly the same problem Bank Holiday Monday, o/s/f inner bearing disintegrated

Managed to get the race off with a bit of perseverence and ChrisW kindly popped round to drop off some new bearings to get me mobile again 8)

Leigh · « **Reply #21 on:** May 03, 2006, 16:31:02 »

What condition was your stub axle in after the perseverence Lee?

I'm just hoping once I have got it off I can remember the right order of putting everything back on :lol: :oops:

nickW · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2006, 16:35:44 »

if its stuck, then its probably stuck because the rear race span on the shaft, it will be stuck on the chewed up bits of metal

muddyjames · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2006, 17:19:06 »

how easy is it to replace a front wheel bearing as one of my front wheels has a bit of a wobble to it and i would like to change it before I have all the above grief!!

Also I have some new wheel bearings for a classic RR will they fit my 300tdi diesel disco?

DiscoDan · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2006, 17:29:38 »

Hi Guys.

Can I ask you all what maintainence you do to your wheel bearings? I know this sounds cheeky but it's not meant that way! :D Personally I remove the bearings as part of the 24K service & check for scoring, refit with new grease. Do I need to do this more or less often?

Also, there has been some debate over the 'hand of experience' method of adjusting wheel bearings. Has anyone sourced a torque wrench that can tighten to 4Nm as recommended in the handbook? Would this reduce the chance of failure? It is something I would prefer to do but the cost of a decent wrench put me off.

Cheers, Dan

BrumLee · « **Reply #25 on:** May 04, 2006, 06:54:48 »

Quote from: "What happened was......."

What condition was your stub axle in after the perseverence Lee?

I'm just hoping once I have got it off I can remember the right order of putting everything back on :lol: :oops:

Once I'd managed to get the race off using a heel bar first then knocking backwards and forwards with a chisel, I used some heavy grade emery cloth. Best stuff to use is in a strip as you can wrap it around the stub end and work your way around. Keep trying the new bearing so you don't take too much off :oops:

If you think your going to forget the order use a camera after you take each part off, but its not that complicated.

HTH

Leigh · « **Reply #26 on:** May 04, 2006, 08:58:25 »

Too late to use a camera, its all off apart from the race thats stuck :lol:

The new bearing in the box also has a seperate metal ring/sleeve it is sitting in, what is that bit for?

I've no idea about maintaining the bearing. Would be good to know though!

ChrisW · « **Reply #27 on:** May 04, 2006, 13:32:56 »

Quote from: "What happened was......."

The new bearing in the box also has a seperate metal ring/sleeve it is sitting in, what is that bit for?

That sounds like the bearing's 'outer race' - you should find this is inside the hub you have taken off and will need driving out with a chisel/screwdriver/metallic object and hammer and the new one driving in utilising a similar method.

NOTE be careful to try not to mark the inside of the hub - the best tool to use to drive the race out is a copper or brass bar as this will bend/deform before the steel of the hub does.

HANDY TIP - once you have removed the old outer race take an angle grinder and run it through one side of the old race - this makes an excellent drift for installing new outer races as it won't 'jam' into the hub.

BrumLee · « **Reply #28 on:** May 04, 2006, 13:46:07 »

Quote from: "ChrisW"

HANDY TIP - once you have removed the old outer race take an angle grinder and run it through one side of the old race - this makes an excellent drift for installing new outer races as it won't 'jam' into the hub.

I have one of those

Oh its yours :lol:

Leigh · « **Reply #29 on:** May 05, 2006, 20:24:58 »

Finally got it finished and it was a case of a new stub axle. Ended up being Ã‚Â£30+vat

Only problem I have is the thin washer and circlip wont fit on the end of the half shaft. Its only about 1-2mm out but the shaft isn't sticking out enough. I have managed to put the circlip on but it hasn't slotted into the groove.
Will it be ok to drive still and see if it settles in place?

Hope this makes sense :?

Cheers

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