Topic: One Ton Series 3 Landy (Read 5980 times)

Miniman · « **on:** November 18, 2005, 22:24:24 »

OK so what is the difference with a normal 109 and a 1 ton 109 ?
Photos of it here is it a one ton.
http://members.mud-club.com/profiles/Miniman/gallery/109Project

josh 109 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 18, 2005, 22:32:10 »

mine is a 1 ton 109 i think the only difrence is the rear crossmember and also could be wrong but i think all ex-army models were 1 ton
hope this helps
josh

Rich_P · « **Reply #2 on:** November 18, 2005, 22:45:56 »

Okay, I can explain what I know about genuine OneTon Land Rovers.

Firstly, they had extended shackles, long bumpstops, and an extra heavy duty chassis. Secondly, the usually had the 2.6 Litre 6-cylinder Petrol engine. They also had a lower ratio transferbox. Max speed is about 50-60mph flat out in top gear because of the lower gearing.

The leaf springs were also heavier duty types I think too. The OneTons also had Forward Control size rims and tyres fitted, which were the 9.00 size.

The military 109-inch vehicles were not all fitted with extended shackles and longer bumpstops, and they are not OneTons at all. They have the standard engines, standard transmission and other parts.

More information can be given if required, but that is pretty much the majority of it all there. I know someone in the Series 2 Owners Club who has the oldest surviving known OneTon Land Rover to still exist and be road worthy. This is his current website.

hobbit · « **Reply #3 on:** November 18, 2005, 22:52:29 »

All I knew them as with the series 3s when I was in the army the 109s were 3/4 tonners or long wheelbase, 88s and lightweight 1/2 tonners or short wheelbase, and the 1 tonners were the forward control vehicles

Know a bit more now, but still think of a 1 tonner as a forward control though, the weight figures they say, were actually supposed to be the load capacity of them, same as the sankeys were 3/4 ton trailers

TUFFTEE · « **Reply #4 on:** November 18, 2005, 22:55:27 »

i concurr with Hobbit! as that was how i recognised them as well!

:)

Rich_P · « **Reply #5 on:** November 18, 2005, 23:01:49 »

Yes, that is correct Hobbit. The OneTon 109-inch was designed to safely carry a Ton within the limits. However, it is believed that a OneTon 109-inch can carry about 1.5 tons before problems are encountered, which is due to Rover/Leyland predicting that the vehicle would be pushed beyond the specified limits.

hobbit · « **Reply #6 on:** November 18, 2005, 23:07:56 »

Quote from: "Steel"

Yes, that is correct Hobbit. The OneTon 109-inch was designed to safely carry a Ton within the limits. However, it is believed that a OneTon 109-inch can carry about 1.5 tons before problems are encountered, which is due to Rover/Leyland predicting that the vehicle would be pushed beyond the specified limits.

:lol: Hell the loads we put on them, those figures were just the specification the shape of the springs and loads on the tyres, the series when in convoy was the reason they used to be so slow, especially with a trailer on the back loaded down to the axles. The big old Larkspur radios, 12v 100ah batteries and everything else, with some unfortunate signaller squeezed into the back corner freezing his perishables off :lol:

Henry Webster · « **Reply #7 on:** November 18, 2005, 23:19:13 »

Quote from: "Miniman"

OK so what is the difference with a normal 109 and a 1 ton 109 ?

Its what you want the shackles from if you want to lift your series III.
:lol:

H

TUFFTEE · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2005, 23:34:11 »

Yes Kev! That brings back a few memorys! Bin There! Done That! and got the "T" Shirt and Tattoos! :lol: :lol: :lol:

hobbit · « **Reply #9 on:** November 19, 2005, 11:10:14 »

Quote from: "TUFFTEE"

Yes Kev! That brings back a few memorys! Bin There! Done That! and got the "T" Shirt and Tattoos! :lol: :lol: :lol:

and scars

josh 109 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 19, 2005, 17:31:50 »

sorry for any false infomation
josh

hobbit · « **Reply #11 on:** November 19, 2005, 17:34:15 »

No apology needed, I think its a case of different meanings, from what some people refer them too, military jargon and civilian are completely different. Found that a few times when discussing these things

Miniman · « **Reply #12 on:** November 19, 2005, 17:46:12 »

Whats the appol for we not testing ya you know. Any way I got some picks of it today so click the link and have a check at it.
http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?p=147436#147436

Bush Tucker Man · « **Reply #13 on:** November 19, 2005, 22:58:44 »

Quote from: "Steel"

Okay, I can explain what I know about genuine OneTon Land Rovers.
I know someone in the Series 2 Owners Club who has the oldest surviving known OneTon Land Rover to still exist and be road worthy. This is his current website.

Is that Daniel Wardons (off 'LRnet') page?

Rich_P · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2005, 15:00:02 »

Quote from: "Bush Tucker Man"

Quote from: "Steel"
Okay, I can explain what I know about genuine OneTon Land Rovers.
I know someone in the Series 2 Owners Club who has the oldest surviving known OneTon Land Rover to still exist and be road worthy. This is his current website.

Is that Daniel Wardons (off 'LRnet') page?

Yes, it is Dan's website, which features his OneTon.

ian_s · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2005, 15:09:46 »

looking at the photos, i'd say its a 1ton as teh rear springs are on outriggers, set slightly further out on the axles
this gave them better stability when carrying heavy loads

Rich_P · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2005, 15:21:51 »

Quote from: "ian_s"

looking at the photos, i'd say its a 1ton as teh rear springs are on outriggers, set slightly further out on the axles
this gave them better stability when carrying heavy loads

But it lacks the extended spring hangers and shackles. OneTons and some military chassis had extended spring hangers and shackles.

The rear spring outriggers may be like they are so that the cherry picker had more stability.

ian_s · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2005, 15:28:57 »

it does have the extended shackles on the rear, as there is 3 bolts through the shackle
i dont think front was any different

Rich_P · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2005, 18:05:40 »

Quote from: "ian_s"

it does have the extended shackles on the rear, as there is 3 bolts through the shackle
i dont think front was any different

But the front spring hangers and shackles appear to be the standard length, but for it to be a OneTon, they need to be longer.
You have seen what a OneTon chassis looks like, havn't you?

EDIT: This shows the extended spring hangers, but they arn't apparant on the 109-inch that Miniman owns.

Jim-Willy · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2005, 19:28:19 »

Quote from: "Steel"

Quote from: "ian_s"
it does have the extended shackles on the rear, as there is 3 bolts through the shackle
i dont think front was any different

But the front spring hangers and shackles appear to be the standard length, but for it to be a OneTon, they need to be longer.
You have seen what a OneTon chassis looks like, havn't you?

EDIT: This shows the extended spring hangers, but they arn't apparant on the 109-inch that Miniman owns.

I aint sure but am fairly certain that middle to late series 3 1 tons had standard rover axle on the front without the extended shackles, just a sailsbury with extended shackles on the back which it has. The Truck is single owner so the Guy should know what he bought.

ian_s · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2005, 21:20:31 »

bizarre
looks like its been hacked around a bit then

muddyweb · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2005, 21:22:36 »

ISTR the 1 tonners had a Salisbury in the back and a 4-pin diff in the front for extra strength.

Miniman · « **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2005, 21:37:42 »

I will probably be able to get it into the garage by xmas as he is taking the picker off soon so I can take it away. I will get you all some photos of it from the underside when I put it on the ramp. Just remember its had a different engine fitted so has the front suspesion been changed for any reason. It also worked in a scrap yard pushing cars around with the front bar so has it been lowered via the shackles so as not to drive over them...lol

22900013A · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2005, 09:45:35 »

The chassis number will prove it one way or the other, but I have to say the chassis looks nothing like the chassis on my IIa one ton. All 109s had the rear hangers outside the main rails rather then beneath, but on a one ton they are a lot longer, as are the swing arms. Furthermore, if it had a one ton box and a perkins, you would be looking at a top speed of about 35mph.
I am afraid to say I can see no evidence that this vehicle was ever a one ton. It does not have the bonnet side catches either, which it should have if it was a one ton.
It should also have a demountable gearbox x-member (it seems they were a standard fit on one tons)
The vehicle in the photos also appears to have a 4 cylinder bulkhead.
It is, I expect simply a 109 with uprated rear springs, a very common modification by all accounts.

Post a photo of the VIN plate so we can tell. :)

Miniman · « **Reply #24 on:** December 13, 2005, 15:53:19 »

I have no pic of the plate yet. As you say the rear hangers ARE on the outside of the chassi this was the first thing I noticed. As for the front hangers it has a bar between them if this is any help but it may be a add on. The front hangers if my memory serves me right are longer than my standard series 3 88 if that is also any help. The vehicle is NOT an ex military as the bloke I am buying it off bought it brand new and had the engine fit. The chassi is alot bigger than my 88 chassi or should I say THICKER.... I will not recieve the vehicle till the cherry picker has been removed so then I will be able to take it to the garage and have a good look and take more photos...

22900013A · « **Reply #25 on:** December 13, 2005, 15:57:08 »

It looks like a standard series III with a perkins in, and uprated back spring swing arms.
Incidentaly, the dvla website says its a 2286cc diesel. If you are buying this on the premise that its a one ton I would take care, if your just buying it as a 109, then fair enough, but I am 100% sure this is not a one ton.

Miniman · « **Reply #26 on:** December 13, 2005, 16:02:09 »

If you get a chance would you please send me a link to the dvla part of the site which allows you to check this info...

Front hanger. Its bigger than my series 3 front hanger..?

22900013A · « **Reply #27 on:** December 13, 2005, 16:07:06 »

Dvla site - http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/index.jsp

That spring hanger is a standard series front spring hanger mate. The one tons would have been as per the pic steel linked to in order to fit the 900x16 tyres, however by 1976 (is that right for this one, P Plate?) it would indeed have a rover axle.

The chassis, and body, would suggest its a standard series III 109.

Miniman · « **Reply #28 on:** December 13, 2005, 16:13:14 »

Well I must add you have more Idea than me as I am new to 109's. I am just buying it because its bigger and mainly because its got a Perkins.... I love the engine. I guy I am buying it off says its a 1 Ton but I think you may be right. It has a servo fitted under the wing is that any indication as the standard diesel if I am correct did not have them fit.

22900013A · « **Reply #29 on:** December 13, 2005, 16:18:53 »

I was gonna mention that, one tons had a LR servo mounted behind the master - yours is remote. Don't forget many people call the lwb a one ton when in reality its not.

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