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Vehicle & Technical => Range Rover => Topic started by: william127 on December 20, 2008, 20:02:40
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im thinking about getting a 2inch lift kit for my classic when its up and running, paddocks do 2 with britpart yellow springs and procomp dampers, are these any good? :-k i think i may need something heavy duty as i will be carrying some fairly heavy loads for work in the rear an at the front its got a big 2.8 izuzu turbo diesel?
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i've used Britpart springs in the past. They sagged by 1 3/4" in just over 2 years. :evil: Guess thats why they're nicknamed S**tpart. I've been using Bearmach blue springs for the past 18 months and I'm very pleased with them. :D From what I've heard and read Procomp shocks are very good off road but not so good on tarmac. Maybe some Monroe gas shocks? They're about the same price as Procomps.
Hope this helps
Rich
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thanks, ive looked at procomps because i had them on the back end of my hilux and they seemed nice and sturdy when fully(over)loaded :)
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Avoid Monroe, they have a reputation for the top eyelets opening up because they are welded badly. The front are ok but do they come in a range of lengths?
I use ProComps and I like them, they are fine on the road and off it. I've also used DeCarbon and I like them, I've got some Britpart Cellular Dynamic at the moment and they are good but don't damp quite as well.
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If you read many forums you will find many instances of broken procomps - whether they be set up wrong , or wrongly specced for the spring, they just seem to fail a lot. for that reason I would steer clear of those.
my choice is OME, but they are a little expensive but good, a mate of mine has just fitted some terrafirma so keen to see how they fair. Previously I had some bilsteins from paddocks which where good.
hth
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I would love a set of Bilsteins but don't have that much cash :(
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i choose bilsteins back then as i remembered them off of the rs fords!
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:lol:
Likewise, my mates and I had to settle for SPAX back then.
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You might find a lot of forum mentions of poor procomps. But there are also alot of people who have used them successfully as a budget option and just can't be bothered to post.
They are one of the few companies who give you plain and simple specifications of lengths compressed/extended of their entire range and I have to say my set (which have had a really hard life (close to over compression and bent at funny angles to the mounts) have been completely problem free.
Not saying that the likes of OME aren't a better quality shock but they are at least twice the price, and I for one think thats a lot of money!
Nick
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You have been one of the lucky ones then.
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was changing the back wheels today and noticed the springs werebright orange, so i jacked it up by the towbar and the springs travelled until there was a good 8-9 inches between the tyres and the wheel arches. obviously there uprated springs, anyone have any idea wat make they could be?
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You have been one of the lucky ones then.
Got to say David, I'm three of the lucky ones too because all our cars have ProComp on them, so do lots of my mates.
Bright orange springs William, could be Scorpion?
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just got to trawl the forums, including this one and the predominent broken shockers are procomps by some margin.
for anybody intending buying , its an important consideration.
Agree that there must be many satisfied customers too.
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i've had pro-comps on both my rangies now and my cousin had them on his highly modified 110, only bent one pro-comp and that was probably my fault. they were being used with +3" bearmach springs and 35" tyres. one rear bent at a 90 degree angle when i drove through an axle twister at about 30 :roll:
i now have britpart gas shocks on my disco, mainly because they were cheap, so will see how they get on and report back.
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About 2.5 years I fitted new procomps to one of the RRC at home. Last week I was removing the springs to go under another RRC. The front procomps were fine, but the shafts of the rear procomps were rusted at the top. I also bought another RRC for the engine which came with a procomps on it (age unknown), 3 of them were fine, but the gas had leaked out of one of the rears.
The only broken procomps I've seen with my own eyes were due mainly to the cheap polyurethane bushes they were fitted with. Regards the cheap bushes though this has been said before.
http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,63671.0.html
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I don't think Procomps are alone in rusting at the top of the piston, it is annoying though.
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I had ProComps on my last RRC and fitted them to the current one just over a year ago. Neither car has showed any problems. As for the rear springs you can specify heavier duty ones. I have these currently. They do restrict the articulation but if on-road manners and load carrying is your prime concern then they are a good choice (blue Beamachs).
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I replaced all 4 dampers with genuine L.R. about 2 years ago and have had no problems. I do think sometimes they could do with been a little stronger, firmer as over bumpy rough road surface the Range Rover does not seem "solid" there seems to be alot of "bounce" Next time round I'm going for Bilsteins. I had an Old Man Emu stearing damper on to try and calm my stearing wobble down.... which it did a bit. I then change it for a Bilstein and it's now gone and the steering is alot lighter so it's Bilsteins all round for me
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Jonny, don't you have EAS :-k if so you can't fit longer dampers.
I wish I knew what brand of dampers are on my sister's TDi, it's the nicest ride I've experienced. they are yellow, that's all I know.
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I don't think Procomps are alone in rusting at the top of the piston, it is annoying though.
They are not the only dampers that rust. The rough country dampers that I fitted to the current RRC also rusted in the top section. One difference between how both were treated though was the procomps alsways had the plastic boots fitted to them and to start with the RC didn't. After a few miles the RC showed sights of damage to the exposed chrome (stone chips while on road?) before getting boots fitted.
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I think it's catch 22. If you fit the boots to ProCOmp and tie wrap themon then they fill with muck and the piston rusts. If you don't fit the boots then the piston get stone chipped and rusts.
What I do is cut the boot down so that it's just and only long enough to protect the piston at normal ride height and leave it free to flap about which keeps the muck off it.
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Jonny, don't you have EAS :-k if so you can't fit longer dampers.
Your Right RRB I do have EAS but I was assuming that as my Bilstein steering damper was a straight replacement for my original Damper they would do the same for wheel dampers?
I am also assuming that the dampers stop the axle from articulating.... i.e. as the wheel drops into a hole it will keep dropping until the damper reaches it's full extension and then holds/stops the axle from going any further. To increase your articulation you have to put dislocating cones on and longer dampers...... to the length that you want the axle to "drop" to (along with longer brake lines, more flexable radius arms etc.) So when I upgrade my air bags to the annot gen 3 bags I will have to find a damper that will extend a bit more than standard to be able to utilise the extra size in the bags? Is that right/possible?
Sorry William kind of gone off the original thread, still I guess you will need to think about all this with a 2 inch lift?
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thats allright its been put on hold until i find out what these orange springs are like on/off road :D
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Jonny, don't you have EAS :-k if so you can't fit longer dampers.
Your Right RRB I do have EAS but I was assuming that as my Bilstein steering damper was a straight replacement for my original Damper they would do the same for wheel dampers?
I am also assuming that the dampers stop the axle from articulating.... i.e. as the wheel drops into a hole it will keep dropping until the damper reaches it's full extension and then holds/stops the axle from going any further. To increase your articulation you have to put dislocating cones on and longer dampers...... to the length that you want the axle to "drop" to (along with longer brake lines, more flexable radius arms etc.) So when I upgrade my air bags to the annot gen 3 bags I will have to find a damper that will extend a bit more than standard to be able to utilise the extra size in the bags? Is that right/possible?
Yes, you are ight. The dampers are typically what stops the axle drooping. With coils you can fit a longer damper and get extra droop, there is perhaps another inch or so on standard springs but with plus 2" ProCOmp on our TDi it dislocates badly.
If you fit the Arnott GIII airbags then you will get just perhaps 2" on the fornt though it's hard to make up of it and up to 3£ on the back, depending on whether they have altered the length from my prototype parts. When in access my airbags ride right up over the seats, they are way too long.
I had plus 2" ProComp (now on the TDi) fitted to the LSE, I had to space the ARB to protect it but I could then get lots of articulation. My ride ehight sensors kept playing up though and for now I've got Britpart Cellular Dynaimcs on, the ride is less crashy but the rebound damping isn't as good, so going over speed humps the axles extend to the end of their travel with a thump.
See here (http://www.mud-club.com/galleries/Range+Rover+Blues/EAS/0/ba2fa2e00651aa239374c9fee8601a68.JPG/QSBtYXNzaXZlIDNpbmNoZXMgZXh0cmEgdHJhdmVs).
Also bear in mind that with standard air bags if you over extend them they will pop off the seats, yo may then be able to repair them. With the Arnotts if yolu over extend them they rip :-o