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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: j carvell on August 23, 2008, 21:53:34

Title: anti roll bar removell
Post by: j carvell on August 23, 2008, 21:53:34
ive been told to remove my anti roll bars to make disco better offroad any advice greatley appricated :afro:
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: boss on August 23, 2008, 22:21:26
cut them  :lol:

no dont.

i did it....but all in all not a good idea. it will be better off road but if its anything like mine it will handel like turd on road :lol:
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: bambamjj on August 23, 2008, 22:28:18
dont do it unless your going extreme off road.  removed mine and found 95% of the time the off roading was not extreme enough, or i wasnt trying hard enough, road handling was just as boss said.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Range Rover Blues on August 24, 2008, 01:36:20
Put it this way, I have 3 ARB (http://www.mud-club.com/galleries/Range+Rover+Blues/Flexing/0/eaade720cc0b7815fba303427018c51d.JPG/) on Blue.  With big tyres and a 2" lift I like it to go where it's pointed.

Besides, the RTI on a RRC is about the same with or without them (and  a Disco is the same thing).
So unless you seriously modify be careful.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: mobi on August 24, 2008, 04:17:40
i removed mine. yes it's a bit softer on the road but no where near as bad as you lot are making it out to be. just like to point out that the pre 94 did not have arb's on. :roll:
the main reson i took mine off is that the link arms flip over and i was going though a new set of D bushes every time i went off road. (never had the problem with the front one)
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Disco Matt on August 24, 2008, 10:47:46
I wouldn't bother. Mine has now covered some pretty tricky lanes and to be honest they've never caused me a problem. I think someone on here said the extra articulation is only an inch or two?

Terrain reading will solve most problems, and it allows you to keep the settled on-road handling!
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Range Rover Blues on August 24, 2008, 14:08:39
i removed mine. yes it's a bit softer on the road but no where near as bad as you lot are making it out to be. just like to point out that the pre 94 did not have arb's on. :roll:
the main reson i took mine off is that the link arms flip over and i was going though a new set of D bushes every time i went off road. (never had the problem with the front one)

Earlier RRC had stiffer radius arm bushes to limit the body roll, these were introduced with the 3.5 EFi, when power (thus speed) increased.  ARB were intorduced with the CSK then the 3.9, when power went up again.

If you are having the links flip over then obviously you havn't "lifted" your truck properly, you need to space the ARB mounts downwards too, otherwise the bar is at a very acute angle and won't work properly anyway.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: mobi on August 24, 2008, 19:26:45
If you are having the links flip over then obviously you havn't "lifted" your truck properly,

now you are talking out of your ass. :twisted:
200 didn't have arb's so the 300 doesn't need them, it's the extra height that gives the body the extra roll.


Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: eugene on August 24, 2008, 19:41:25
my 200tdi has arbs on it so id agree with rrb on this one  :D
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Range Rover Blues on August 24, 2008, 19:59:48
If you are having the links flip over then obviously you havn't "lifted" your truck properly,

now you are talking out of your ass. :twisted:
200 didn't have arb's so the 300 doesn't need them, it's the extra height that gives the body the extra roll.


Whatever :roll:
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: bambamjj on August 24, 2008, 20:48:14
Once again agree with RRB, my 200 had ARB and kept on flipping up, got some 50x50 box section longer bolts and never had a problem again  :D
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Jas278 on August 25, 2008, 20:53:06
If you are having the links flip over then obviously you haven't "lifted" your truck properly,

now you are talking out of your ass. :twisted:
200 didn't have arb's so the 300 doesn't need them, it's the extra height that gives the body the extra roll.





Whoops , I think you Owe an apology , as you are the one............. :-#...talking from the wrong place
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: mentalmoshio sophs V8i on August 25, 2008, 21:48:05
on and set to the right height with lifts on
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: mobi on August 26, 2008, 02:43:56
If you are having the links flip over then obviously you haven't "lifted" your truck properly,

now you are talking out of your ass. :twisted:
200 didn't have arb's so the 300 doesn't need them, it's the extra height that gives the body the extra roll.





Whoops , I think you Owe an apology , as you are the one............. :-#...talking from the wrong place


you'll be waiting a long time, as the "now you are talking out of your ass" is for saying i have not lifted my truck properly.
maybe "SOME" did have them fitted as an extra!
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: mobi on August 26, 2008, 03:15:13
Quote
1993
For markets where high taxes made the V8i unsaleable but customers wanted petrol engines, Land Rover next introduced a 2-litre four-cylinder engine developed from the T-series used in Rover cars. Discoverys with this were known as Mpi models (the letters stood for Multi-point injection), and the engine remained available until 1996 – always with manual transmission – although it was never a strong seller.
Meanwhile, the V8i models switched to the more powerful 3.9-litre engine already used in the Range Rover. Also made available for the 1994 models introduced in mid-1993 was the combination of Tdi diesel engine and four speed automatic gearbox. This was also the year when the Freestyle Choice option of front-and-rear anti-roll bars with alloy wheels on lower-profile tyres brought improved on-road handling to the Discovery. And from the spring, customers could buy a Discovery Commercial, based on the three-door model and as stylish a van as any business could wish for.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/land-rover/discovery/intro


waiting :-k :-k :-k :-k
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Chris Putt on August 26, 2008, 11:08:30
A mate of mine who did his dissertation into suspension says that ARBs on beam axles make no difference. I personally dont really know but he did do rather a lot of research into the subject.....
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: j carvell on August 27, 2008, 21:30:07
alright ladies hand bags down now do you advise taking them off as its gt a 2 inch lift and i toe a caravan would it make a difference with towing
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: bobtailed disco on August 28, 2008, 20:21:05
from experience don't remove. i fitted a 2 inch lift and removed the anti roll bar and towed a 3.5 tone trailer, it was scary all over the road so re fitted the bar and much better.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Disco_Stu on August 29, 2008, 21:32:11
I have a 2" lift also. I run one anti-roll bar on the front, none on the back.

Mine destroyed its bushes, inverted and bent the very first time I articulated my +2 shocks, as pointed out earlier, I hadn't spaced it out. I have some spacers now and an unused set of polybushes for an arb but have never got around to re-fitting it. I've never noticed a problem not having one on the rear, I'm considering removing my front one soon to see what thats like. You can always put it back on if it handles really badly.

Stu.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: ben_haynes on August 29, 2008, 21:44:15
Quote
1993
For markets where high taxes made the V8i unsaleable but customers wanted petrol engines, Land Rover next introduced a 2-litre four-cylinder engine developed from the T-series used in Rover cars. Discoverys with this were known as Mpi models (the letters stood for Multi-point injection), and the engine remained available until 1996 – always with manual transmission – although it was never a strong seller.
Meanwhile, the V8i models switched to the more powerful 3.9-litre engine already used in the Range Rover. Also made available for the 1994 models introduced in mid-1993 was the combination of Tdi diesel engine and four speed automatic gearbox. This was also the year when the Freestyle Choice option of front-and-rear anti-roll bars with alloy wheels on lower-profile tyres brought improved on-road handling to the Discovery. And from the spring, customers could buy a Discovery Commercial, based on the three-door model and as stylish a van as any business could wish for.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/land-rover/discovery/intro


waiting :-k :-k :-k :-k

what is the point you are trying to make?????

the 300TDi did not come out untill late 1994!!!

and you posted up saying ARB's were introdused in 1993

so makes your Quote Points <edit> (http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,42831.0.html)
If you are having the links flip over then obviously you havn't "lifted" your truck properly,

now you are talking out of your ass. :twisted:
200 didn't have arb's so the 300 doesn't need them, it's the extra height that gives the body the extra roll.

Sorry but like EVERY ONE else im with RRB on this one
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: ben_haynes on August 29, 2008, 21:47:20
J carvell

i would suggest trying for your self with out, as i have driven a couple of vehicle with and with out and some handle like a Turd and some handle fine

and if its any use i saw on who inverted his ARB on the axle to stop it inverting its self
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: RichardM on August 29, 2008, 22:40:05

the 300TDi did not come out untill late 1994!!!


Mine was registered in June 1994...hardly late...
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: mobi on August 31, 2008, 17:46:18
Quote
1993
For markets where high taxes made the V8i unsaleable but customers wanted petrol engines, Land Rover next introduced a 2-litre four-cylinder engine developed from the T-series used in Rover cars. Discoverys with this were known as Mpi models (the letters stood for Multi-point injection), and the engine remained available until 1996 – always with manual transmission – although it was never a strong seller.
Meanwhile, the V8i models switched to the more powerful 3.9-litre engine already used in the Range Rover. Also made available for the 1994 models introduced in mid-1993 was the combination of Tdi diesel engine and four speed automatic gearbox. This was also the year when the Freestyle Choice option of front-and-rear anti-roll bars with alloy wheels on lower-profile tyres brought improved on-road handling to the Discovery. And from the spring, customers could buy a Discovery Commercial, based on the three-door model and as stylish a van as any business could wish for.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/rimmer/land-rover/discovery/intro


waiting :-k :-k :-k :-k

what is the point you are trying to make?????

the 300TDi did not come out untill late 1994!!!

and you posted up saying ARB's were introdused in 1993

so makes your Quote <edit> (http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,42831.0.html)
If you are having the links flip over then obviously you havn't "lifted" your truck properly,

now you are talking out of your ass. :twisted:
200 didn't have arb's so the 300 doesn't need them, it's the extra height that gives the body the extra roll.

Sorry but like EVERY ONE else im with RRB on this one


EVERY ONE  now that it is <edit> (http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,42831.0.html).
and you need to go back to school and learn the read, IT SAYS Choice option.  (TRANSLATION NOT STANDARD)
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: lurch_917 on September 03, 2008, 09:05:29
as rrb says leave them on  if you have a lift just spacethe mounts out to match or the nuckels have a habbit of turning  i have a question though would you be abel to space them on standard hight springs to get a bit more articulation
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: freeagent on September 03, 2008, 13:27:51
Everytime this subject comes up it turns into a playground scrap... just like the 'can i remove the particle filter/ cat downpipe on my disco' question.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: karlo on September 03, 2008, 13:43:53
Only one answer take em off if ya don't like it put em back on, simple.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: freeagent on September 04, 2008, 21:47:32
yep, if your truck doesn't weigh 3 tonnes, and has decent suspension, you probably won't notice much difference...
if you carry loads of gear on a huge roofrack, and have knackered ancient suspension, you'll notice the difference.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Range Rover Blues on September 05, 2008, 18:55:05
as rrb says leave them on  if you have a lift just spacethe mounts out to match or the nuckels have a habbit of turning  i have a question though would you be abel to space them on standard hight springs to get a bit more articulation
  Yes you can, also if you have a Southdown tank guard you may have to fit spacers.

I relocated the ARB axle mounts upwards and outwards (I snapped them off) too, the one diassadvantage of what you propose is that the ARB becomes more exposed.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: bambamjj on September 06, 2008, 07:12:35
RRB - i have standard Disco with police rear springs and Southdown Tank Guard and still managed to fit with out modifying ARB mounts  :-k this is the second time i have heard this about them needing modifying, have i done something wrong  [-o<

http://www.mud-club.com/forum/index.php/topic,62861.0.html

photos at bottom of the above link
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: clbarclay on September 06, 2008, 09:22:46
On a lifted disco, what prevents you from just fitting the arb with the short links going upwards from the axle? Does the arb links have to go below the axle mounts to clear items like the exhaust?
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Disco_Stu on September 07, 2008, 10:45:39
I finaly got round to polybushing my radius arms yesterday, in the process I removed the anti-roll bar.
I've decided to leave it off to see what difference it makes, I'll be re-fitting it if it seems unstable or wayward in any way.

I spend much more time on the road than off it in my motor, gotta have a bit of balance between articulation and control.

Stu.
Title: Re: anti roll bar removell
Post by: Range Rover Blues on September 08, 2008, 12:42:15
RRB - i have standard Disco with police rear springs and Southdown Tank Guard and still managed to fit with out modifying ARB mounts  :-k this is the second time i have heard this about them needing modifying, have i done something wrong  [-o<

You were probably lucky.  When new the Southdown comes undrilled at the sides, you jack it up untill it contacts the chassi aheadof the fuel tank and drill it in place.  It often fouls the rear ARB slightly, as my ARB brackets had been retro fitted I didn't trust they were correct but I've since found others had the same thing happen.  Just one of those things I guess, if yours fits without spacers then all the better.



On a lifted disco, what prevents you from just fitting the arb with the short links going upwards from the axle? Does the arb links have to go below the axle mounts to clear items like the exhaust?

Firstly they will hit the bottom of the spring, possibly damage the brake pips and fight the rear lower suspension link for control of the axle.

Secondly it limits the droop travel of the rear axle slightly IIRC :-k but making the rear ARB effectively stiffer (it's a geometry thing).
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