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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: 90sam on December 24, 2007, 23:09:07
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Now that the 90 has gone and its getting closer to being 17 im thinking about my first car for the road. What do people think? I was thinking a cheapo old 200tdi disco but would a little car be better?
Any advice?
Sam
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my advise would be to get a little sj ....
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If you can afford the insurance I would say to go for the Disco. If you try to find a seven seater then you'll suddenly become very popular for nights out. Just go easy on the bends if you have people in the folding rear seats who are a little the worse for wear...
Insurance will be fearsome though - Insurance companies see a 2.5 turbo engine in something that will demolish most other vehicles on impact and charge accordingly. My insurance aged 17 (on a Citroen ZX 1.9D) was well over £1k for the first year, in fact one place quoted £4k!
Also worth bearing in mind that a real cheapo 200TDI Disco will probably have been absolutely hammered by previous owners and never looked after, so you may well end up spending a fortune on repairs. If you can save a little more and get one in better condition then you'll be better off in the long run.
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If you try to find a seven seater then you'll suddenly become very popular for nights out. Just go easy on the bends if you have people in the folding rear seats who are a little the worse for wear...
I would not bother fit a camera and chuck it round corners, make £200 a time :lol:
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First road car should be a series. A little 2.25 diesel tax exempt jobby. Save yerself £200 a year on road tax, generally cheaper and easier to fix if you have a bang or break down and can go on a classic policy which is cheaper.
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i got a 90 for my first car, is doing me great :lol: so far
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im with Badgers my first was a series
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liverpool victora is the cheepest in the country for young drivers.
http://www.lv.com
1500 pound fully comp
for my hybird
cheers shaun
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Yer i need to get some insurance qoutes and then go fro there. I want to go to uni so thought off roading would be a good way to pass the time! And tax i dont mind about i just need the comfort of a disco haha! I was thinking about a little diesel fiesta but if i had a crash in one i wouldnt feel too good wheras in a disco i wouldnt feel it as much. They both cost the same to buy and i know how to fix a disco so it maybe cheaper in the long run.
Watch this space!
Merry christmas x
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liverpool victora is the cheepest in the country for young drivers.
http://www.lv.com
1500 pound fully comp
for my hybird
cheers shaun
Actually your wrong, the cheapest for young drivers is quinn direct
http://www.quinn-direct.co.uk/
They also take into account your driving experience as well and convert it into a no claims bonus.
But for first car you might want to get one of your parents to insure it and have you as a named driver (alot of companies now will allow the named driver to be the main driver of the vehicle) which will make it cheaper and thus set you up for a company like quinn direct so you get your first insurance cheap.
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get a sammy :) i did (sort of)
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my issues with the sujuki SJ were this...
1) dangerously slow
2) poor fuel economy for somthing that is slow and wont tow a lot
3) Parts availability seemed a little more limited than with a land rover. with most people i know with SJ's just buying rotton ones for £50 for spares. which is good, but if its your daily driver, sometimes you need to fit new parts fast so it will get you to work the next morning. no good asking round for an alternator when you dont have a second car.
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I want to go to uni so thought off roading would be a good way to pass the time!
More to the point, a Disco will be far better if you have a long drive at each end of term (a Series or Defender will become very wearing at motorway speeds!)
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liverpool victora is the cheepest in the country for young drivers.
http://www.lv.com
1500 pound fully comp
for my hybird
cheers shaun
Actually your wrong, the cheapest for young drivers is quinn direct
http://www.quinn-direct.co.uk/
I second that, they are in Northern Ireland and are really cheap and have excellent customer service, in the event of an accident they sort it within days!!!
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my issues with the sujuki SJ were this...
1) dangerously slow
2) poor fuel economy for somthing that is slow and wont tow a lot
3) Parts availability seemed a little more limited than with a land rover. with most people i know with SJ's just buying rotton ones for £50 for spares. which is good, but if its your daily driver, sometimes you need to fit new parts fast so it will get you to work the next morning. no good asking round for an alternator when you dont have a second car.
easier to insure than a land rover
easier to modify
less need to fix than on a land rover :lol:
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yerrr i think im going to get a discovery but need to check out the insrance! I need to be able to drive long distances in it so rules out a suzuki and a series!
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dont forget anything over 1.6 you'll get hammered on insurence
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Insurance will drop dramatically after the first year or so, assuming you manage to avoid becoming a statistic. You might find it helps to join the owners' club too - sometimes they can get you a better deal.
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Im trying to avoid being a statistic by getting a disco! Otherwise i will have the 1.8 focus! Im already in a owners club and i think some specialist landy insurance will see me through haha! if its cheaper than the focus to insure then i will be gettign a disco
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easier to insure than a land rover
easier to modify
less need to fix than on a land rover :lol:
ahh im not getitng into this debate!!! :lol: i was purely trying to be constructive.
an SJ is deffo easyer to modify on a budget, your right there. ive never had one so i couldnt comment on reliability, but it cant be any worse than a mis treated land rover (like mine!)
not sure what you mean by easyer to insure. im only 18 (no NCB) and my 90 truck cab is £1800 fully comp. and its on a Q plate. i just rang my one stop insurance shop who sorted it. so im not sure what its like if you go to direct line etc.
and lets not forget that an SJ is waay cheaper to buy in the first place. and if you trash it (most likely rolled :lol: ) then another one is cheap enough.
all said though im a land rover guy, and it sounds weird but i cant say i want anything else 4x4 wise. its not snobbery or jealousy, its just a certain brittishness in me that makes me able to love somthing that is often so flawed.
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Yeh but face it most sj drivers are chavs tommo will back me up n that lol
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well no ones said it yet so i will,
SUZUKI VITARA
i have one,use it every day for work as a support unit,then playing off road at week ends
very easy to drive,comfy and are pretty quick,mine with 31s will happily sit on the motor way 70mph,will go further if you wish :oops: 8)
i just drove to the swiss alps in mine,got back thursday and had no probs with at all,
pretty good off road,parts are real easy to get hold of and insurance is cheap cos its 1.6
mark :D
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Yep i agree with Wrecker.I use my vitara as my only transport including greenlaning and pay & play day's..quiet comfy good on motorways
Cheers Gav
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Yep I agrre with Gav, get yourself a Vitara, good value for money, good on a long drive and bloody brill off road. Plus cheap to insure and lots of mods available.
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it should be anything other than a landrover, if you have any scence :lol:
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Yeh but face it most sj drivers are chavs tommo will back me up n that lol
yeah but i wasnt gonna say that! its true though they are the corsa of the 4x4 world.
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Corsa, more like NOVA
LOL
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ahh well the corsa is the new nova! and besides, novas were alright till chavs got their hands on em!
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Yeh but face it most sj drivers are chavs tommo will back me up n that lol
yeah i must be a chav then with death metal, punk, n stuff like that coming from the speakers 8)
the main reason i hav a sj is cos i cant afford a swb y60 8)
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it should be anything other than a landrover, if you have any scence :lol:
i second that . . . land rovers are like the silver hatchback of 4x4s thants how common they are
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common or popular?
Part of the reason why i drive a land rover is because it makes a statement about me. It says that i value function over comfort. And land rovers are often driven by people who need a vehicle to do a job. If a farmer needs a motor to pull his livestock trailer through muddy fields then he doesent think "ah if i buy this japanese 4x4 and rip all the interior out so it doesent get clogged with mud, lift the suspension and fit some scaffold pipe to stop the plastic bits getting ripped off then it will do it a treat!"
And lets face it, a defender is one of the few vehicles left that can hack it off road straight out of the box. why modify somthing else to do the same job?
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common or popular?
Part of the reason why i drive a land rover is because it makes a statement about me. It says that i value function over comfort. And land rovers are often driven by people who need a vehicle to do a job. If a farmer needs a motor to pull his livestock trailer through muddy fields then he doesent think "ah if i buy this japanese 4x4 and rip all the interior out so it doesent get clogged with mud, lift the suspension and fit some scaffold pipe to stop the plastic bits getting ripped off then it will do it a treat!"
And lets face it, a defender is one of the few vehicles left that can hack it off road straight out of the box. why modify somthing else to do the same job?
honestly i can see your poin with the defenders
but as for discos freelanders and the non classic range rover (i kinda like th classic) i cant see the point in the new range rovers (never yet seen 1 with th tinyest bit of mud/dirt on it) i've seen fat boy vits go places standard freelands cant and i know people with disco1s 2s n 3s and the disco 3 is the g4 version and he constantly has electrical problems with it the disco 2 td5 has been in the garrage in a weekly basis near enough
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yeah. the new range rovers are very much a country manor type thing, as the range rover has always been. and a fair few round here get used where a 2wd car would struggle. so you could say they could make do with a subaru justy, or panda 4x4. but if your loaded, then its gotta be the range rover.
In my mind the freelanders and disco's are farmers wives cars. will still get her back to the farm in the snow, will do for the farm work when the defender is broken. but its got all the luxurys that SWMBO enjoys.
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havent discos got permant 4wd going through a diff in the center which means lifting 1 wheel from the ground ant it will be stuck ??? unless its 1 of the newer 1s with tration control ?
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havent discos got permant 4wd going through a diff in the center which means lifting 1 wheel from the ground ant it will be stuck ??? unless its 1 of the newer 1s with tration control ?
Yes, unless you lock the centre diff (just push the transfer box lever to the left on a Disco 1). It's more or less the same drivetrain as a Defender but with slightly different gearing.
A stock Disco on the right tyres will go anywhere a 110 can and most places a 90 can.
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land rover maybe popular mmm i wonder why....they are the best and suzukis look like hairdressers cars oh and my mum had one lol get ur sen a real 4x4 no jap plastic invaded rubbish
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I had a Grand vitara and a Suzuki Vitara and found both very good. They are 100% reliable and I never got them stuck. Even my mate who drives a Landie was impressed.
Its a matter of poinion and I suppose also down to insurance if you are young. I drive a Terrano II it costs £300 a year fully comp to insure, now if I had to pay a £1000 than it would go and I would get something cheaper.
I suspect a Vit or SJ would be cheaper to insure than a 90 unless you co for a series.
Deep down I do want a 90 big time but its convincing swmbo! :lol:
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land rover maybe popular mmm i wonder why....they are the best and suzukis look like hairdressers cars oh and my mum had one lol get ur sen a real 4x4 no jap plastic invaded rubbish
nothin wrong with jap 4x4s
can i ask how many of you have got a land rover earlier than the year 2000 that hasnt had something wrong with it . . . i can guess theres not many of you :lol:
the only downside to an sj is they dont have as much power (ok they dont rely on power)
and the fiat panda is just as good as the newer range rover only with a slight height problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAg4DdXAp7Y
and my sep mums 8 valve vit has been pulling out land rovers
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1st car i used was our 110
1st one that i used that i bought was my '86 rangie. insurance worked out cheaper than on mums rover 214.
NFU.