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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: crazymac on October 25, 2007, 18:42:37

Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: crazymac on October 25, 2007, 18:42:37: Having just (severely) bent my track rod I decided to invest in a pair of sumo bars 8)

I contacted Ian Sykes by email to which he promptly replied and ordered the pair for Â£87 delivered on Monday evening, they arrived with me this morning so well pleased.

I've already started to fit and I must say, they are a substantial piece of kit.

I'll get some piccies tomorrow.

Has anyone elso got them fitted??
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: denviks on October 25, 2007, 18:46:18: funny enough mine arrived today from mail order4x4 :wink:

(http://photos.imageevent.com/denviks/mac4x42007/mac4x42007team42/websize/PB040013%20_Small_.JPG)

they weight 22kg apparently :shock: .... they dont look like this anymore....they are now red in colour :lol: :lol:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: peasey on October 25, 2007, 19:04:47: mate they look awesome cant wait to bend my standard ones :lol:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: TDi90 on October 25, 2007, 19:15:40: yes i got them on my 90.
worth every penny.
R
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: mobi on October 25, 2007, 19:23:05: i ordered my from paddocks on monday and still not got them :cry:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: Xtremeteam on October 25, 2007, 19:24:54: IIRC the only place to buy genuine Genuine "sumo" bars is from ian sykes,

other ones are just copies
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: denviks on October 25, 2007, 19:27:02: i get the feeling mine are gonna be good enough for what i wan them for :? :wink:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: crazymac on October 25, 2007, 19:46:31: Quote from: "Xtremeteam"
IIRC the only place to buy genuine Genuine "sumo" bars is from ian sykes,

other ones are just copies

There are licenced outlets, see here

http://www.4allfours.co.uk/masterfr.htm

Thing is though, with free postage from mail order 4x4, they work out at just over Â£85. but the genuine items from Ian are Â£87. delivered!
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: denviks on October 25, 2007, 19:57:07: :? .... but a straight bar is the same as the next straight bar if made from the same steel aint it .....its just brand names and the price you pay surely???? :wink:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: Jake on October 25, 2007, 19:58:56: Quote from: "denviks"
i get the feeling mine are gonna be good enough for what i wan them for :? :wink:

They look like Britpart versions to me :wink:
If so the bars are great but there's been some bad talk regarding the track rod ends.
With that in mind, just keep your eye on them for wear
8)
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: davidlandy on October 25, 2007, 20:33:55: the only bad thing i heard about them was that due to the increased strength of the bars the next weakest part was the track rod end.

you can drive with a bent steering arm, but not a snapped TRend.

I have the sumo bars on mine - a very worthwhile investment!
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: beatmasterdave on October 25, 2007, 20:35:52: whats the best deal you guys found for the pair? im about to order mine. just to make double sure (yes i already asked this, but i cant rick the gamble), the bar behind the axle is exactly the same as the bar closest to the front? right? lol :oops: :wink:

..ooo and i already have the one right at the front, and used it a little bit against stumps etc. they are very impressive! 8)
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: crazymac on October 25, 2007, 20:59:38: Quote from: "denviks"
:? .... but a straight bar is the same as the next straight bar if made from the same steel aint it .....its just brand names and the price you pay surely???? :wink:

Yeh, your probably right but the price difference is only Â£2.00 If it was Â£20.00 then I would go for the cheaper version, but for Â£2.00!

Chances are they are the same, but as a small point, I'd rather give my money to Ian for the originals that a large company that have bought them in from britpart or sum such.
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: crazymac on October 25, 2007, 21:05:06: Quote from: "beatmasterdave"
whats the best deal you guys found for the pair? im about to order mine. just to make double sure (yes i already asked this, but i cant rick the gamble), the bar behind the axle is exactly the same as the bar closest to the front? right? lol :oops: :wink:

..ooo and i already have the one right at the front, and used it a little bit against stumps etc. they are very impressive! 8)

Its the same construction, but a fair bit longer!

Ian sent me this

Thank you for your interest in Sumo bars

Our bars donâ€™t have clamps, we use lock nuts which come with the bars.

As yours is a 200 Disco I need to know what length the front drag link bar is.

Either 760 or 835, easily recognized. The 835 has two Track rod end ball joints, the 760 has one, at the wheel end and the steering drop arm has a ball NOT the bar, the bar has a swan neck piece with a hole in it for the ballâ€™s taper.

Prices is Â£95 inclusive of TNT delivery (next day) and vat. By mail would be Â£8.00 cheaper.

I can accept visa/ mastercard but not switch.

Give me a call one evening, (he did supply a number but I felt I shouldn't post it here)

Thanks again

Ian Sykes
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: daveyravey on October 25, 2007, 21:13:12: Please excuse my ignorance, but do you still run a steering damper with these bars ?
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: Jake on October 25, 2007, 21:16:07: Quote from: "diamond dave"
Please excuse my ignorance, but do you still run a steering damper with these bars ?

Yes
You should be supplied with a clamp on bracket for your damper.
8)
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: extreme90 on October 25, 2007, 21:47:17: you can still bend the sumo bars aswel :lol:
i managed it :twisted:, and didnt even touch the trackrod :shock:
ah well :roll:
there well worth it tho, i bent mine that many times it eventualy snapped in half :P
dan
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: davidlandy on October 25, 2007, 21:47:51: i heard that due to the weight of the bars it meant that the damper may not be required.

this could had been an old wives tale though
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: denviks on October 25, 2007, 21:39:30: Quote from: "davidlandy"
i heard that due to the weight of the bars it meant that the damper may not be required.

this could had been an old wives tale though

its not a wives tale....i know 2 disco's that are running without dampers :wink: .......but it doesnt always have that effect on all....just hoping mine doesnt need the damper......at 22kg im sure it will take out most of it :wink:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: J B on October 25, 2007, 21:43:44: ive been running the bars form mail order4x4 for over a year now, no damper fitted, fells fine on the road, much more responsive than with a damper
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: beast5680 on October 25, 2007, 21:45:23: Quote from: "denviks"
Quote from: "davidlandy"
i heard that due to the weight of the bars it meant that the damper may not be required.

this could had been an old wives tale though

its not a wives tale....i know 2 disco's that are running without dampers :wink: .......but it doesnt always have that effect on all....just hoping mine doesnt need the damper......at 22kg im sure it will take out most of it :wink:

is it me or are the replys in this thread out of sync :?
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: denviks on October 25, 2007, 21:47:57: Quote from: "beast5680"
Quote from: "denviks"
Quote from: "davidlandy"
i heard that due to the weight of the bars it meant that the damper may not be required.

this could had been an old wives tale though

its not a wives tale....i know 2 disco's that are running without dampers :wink: .......but it doesnt always have that effect on all....just hoping mine doesnt need the damper......at 22kg im sure it will take out most of it :wink:

is it me or are the replys in this thread out of sync :?

you is right mate :shock: :shock: :shock: now i said this before you
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: davidlandy on October 25, 2007, 22:16:37: something wierd goin on in this thread!
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: crazymac on October 25, 2007, 23:14:30: I was going to make up a new bracket for my damper as I wrecked it getting it off (I have the relocation kit from Wizard) Might try it without 1st see how it goes??
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: crazymac on October 26, 2007, 14:27:56: Here are some pics of mine, you'll notice in one of them (hopefully the 1st if I do this right) just how badly I bent the track rod :twisted: :roll:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: Range Rover Blues on October 27, 2007, 00:35:23: I've had a pair of these for a year now and not got round to fitting them :roll:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: denviks on October 30, 2007, 14:50:19: well i can 100% confirm that is NOT a old wives tale about fitting HD steerings means you can do without your damper.

i had mine fitted to day and its as smooth as anything without the damper on. no kicking with bumps etc. :wink:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: Range Rover Blues on October 30, 2007, 19:53:54: What tyres have you got on?

Any lift? what are your swivles like?

All these things will effect bump-steer and wheel shimmy, I know people who don't have steering dampers on failry standard cars. I know other cars that need H/D steering dampers, mine included.

That said the roads round here are shocking and that's probably a big part of it.

Anyway, does it drive any nicer with the damper removed?
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: denviks on October 30, 2007, 19:57:15: this v8 disco is new to me. at the moment she is running 235/85/16 bfg at's but will soo move over to the same size mud tyres. :twisted:

the roads around here are not much different to anywhere else....i did try a few roads today that would make any truck bounce and kick and it was smooth. if im honest there is no noticable difference between with or without the damper which in my eyes is te best possile result..... :wink: just one less thing to break again :wink:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: Range Rover Blues on October 30, 2007, 20:05:35: Cool, might try to sumon the energy to fit mine then. I fitted a Defender damper and I get a wheel shake on RH turns from the RH wheel, annoying but not severe. At one point I refitted the RR one as well :shock:
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: beatmasterdave on October 30, 2007, 20:41:42: :cry: :cry: :cry:
eeer... today i just got delivered the sumo track rod, and pro comp damper. waiting for QT to finish off the bracket. so... the damper wont make much difference? :( (oh well, i got a pro comp sticker now! :D 8) )
Title: Sumo Bars
Post by: daveyravey on October 30, 2007, 20:44:02: Hmm
Expensive sticker eh ? :lol: