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Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: thermidorthelobster on September 02, 2007, 11:12:37
Jeep94's post (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=48272) made me think about some of the daft things that get said about 4x4s.  We all know about the guy in the Mercedes E-class who will moan about our 4x4s hogging the roads and being uneconomical, even though they're smaller and more efficient than his.  But I'm thinking about the more banal stuff that makes you stand there speechless.

Two to kick off...

Standing next to my 6x6 101 at a show, talking to another guy with an overlanding 101, a guy came up and told us how obviously you should never run oversized tyres on 101s because you'll wreck them and cause all sorts of problems with the suspension and transmission.  I looked at the other guy and rolled my eyes;  I'd just driven to Guinea and back on 41" tyres in a 5 tonne 101, and the other chap had driven all round Africa in his overbooted 101, without any tyre-related transmission or suspension problems.  I think the tyre-kicking guy had picked the wrong pair of 101 owners to have this discussion with and seemed totally oblivious to the evidence right in front of his own eyes.

Abby used to take my old 200tdi Disco into work and got several comments about the "raised exhaust", meaning obviously the snorkel.  OK, I know we can't expect everybody to be experts, but surely they spot the exhaust is the little metal pipe coming out of the BACK of the vehicle, not the large plastic one going into the FRONT?
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: BigSi on September 02, 2007, 11:27:17
Same happened to me!

I was once loading up the rear of the Jeep in a supermarket car park, when a guy came up to me and said that it was illegal to have an exhaust pipe up that high! Funny I thought as I looked down, as most other vehicles have the exhaust underneath the vehicle. When I looked back at the guy, I found he was talking about the Safari Snorkel!!!!!
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: muddyjlx on September 02, 2007, 11:36:20
i got asked if mine was 4 wheel drive the other day.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/MUDDYJLX/bkfarm7.jpg)
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: thermidorthelobster on September 02, 2007, 11:51:46
Quote from: "muddyjlx"
i got asked if mine was 4 wheel drive the other day.

To which the only response has to be "No, it's eight wheel drive."  And then watch their face as they try to work it out.
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: POTASH on September 02, 2007, 12:05:45
i get asked about the snorkel, why do you have the exhaust that high,and a little lad said to his dad why has it got a chimney. :lol:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Evilgoat on September 02, 2007, 12:09:47
Ive been told I'm driving illegally becaus ethere is no where in the UK to take a 4x4 offroad.

Sadly before I joined I did suspect this and turned down a 4.0 V8 Rangey Ambulance conversion because of it :( £300 they wanted.
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Bunnie on September 02, 2007, 12:29:51
I just get strange looks...

something about a woman driving any 4x4!?
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: thermidorthelobster on September 02, 2007, 12:49:19
Who was the TD5 Disco owner from Hampshire who was told by their main dealer that it was perfectly normal for their TD5 to be slumped down to one side at the rear - Land Rover designed it that way to make it easier for loading!  :lol:  Muppet dealer, they should be ashamed.
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: gtomo2 on September 02, 2007, 13:10:24
Got asked why do i have so many spot lights on the front of my disco ( And i only have 8 plus headlights). Just told him so i could see were i was going at night  :roll:

And had the old why do you have the exhurst coming out of the front wing when i had the rangy
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: electricbluebadger on September 02, 2007, 13:46:23
Quote from: muddyjlx
i got asked if mine was 4 wheel drive the other day.



Well is it ?

You cant start a post n leave us all in suspense :)

Cheers Steve
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: JumboBeef on September 02, 2007, 15:23:45
When someone saw the 1958 SII I used to have, which only had had one owner before me and 6,000 miles on the clock and was wonderfully original (it had spent 30 years in a barn), they said:

I suppose it is only worth scrap now, as it is so old  :roll:

(Why did I ever sell it......?)

(http://www.planetairedale.com/landrover/16.JPG)
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: lambert on September 02, 2007, 15:56:48
The one i seem to get asked a lot is 'is that any good off road?' err no, it gets stuck in tesco car park!
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: freelanderpx54 on September 02, 2007, 16:23:40
Quote from: "Bigbluemaverick"
The one i seem to get asked a lot is 'is that any good off road?' err no, it gets stuck in tesco car park!


Should have got a Landrover then :roll:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: SEDDEY on September 02, 2007, 16:41:16
Hand bags at 40 paces here or what?

I could add 'should have got a proper Landrover'

But I wouldn't do that.

 :roll:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: wizard on September 02, 2007, 16:54:44
The one thing that get up my nose is every 4x4 seems to be a jeep.

I get the usual comments of nice Jeep( its a disco)
we have a jeep (they drive a Kia).
seen a nice jeep the other day, turns out to be a Toyota Hilux.
at work the car park is full of jeeps (includes all 4x4's)

wizard :twisted:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Jake on September 02, 2007, 17:22:15
The funniest one i ever heard was a guy asked me if we ever used the car for what it was built for.
We'd just finished a day long laning trip and the car was filthy muddy.
I suppose it did look like a run of the mill Discovery
(http://members.mud-club.com/galleryimages/88a47c33298f947508f9ba6b130d7425.jpg)
Some people eh!
 :roll:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: electricbluebadger on September 02, 2007, 17:54:39
Quote from: "Jake"
The funniest one i ever heard was a guy asked me if we ever used the car for what it was built for.


What .. shopping trips and the school run :)

(Runs n hides under the table giggling :) )

Cheers Steve
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Jake on September 02, 2007, 19:28:58
Quote from: "electricbluebadger"
What .. shopping trips and the school run :)

(Runs n hides under the table giggling :) )


Fair play
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: freelanderpx54 on September 02, 2007, 21:42:56
Quote from: "SEDDEY"
Hand bags at 40 paces here or what?

I could add 'should have got a proper Landrover'

But I wouldn't do that.

 :roll:


Despite my screen-name I have seen the light and bought a Disco TD5
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Thrasher on September 02, 2007, 21:47:57
V8's can't get good economy  :evil:

After driving 800 miles on 1.5 tanks of fuel, I am pretty certain that Bagheera really is good on fuel!
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: wrecker on September 03, 2007, 12:58:45
i drive a vitara,,,,,,ok stop sniggering,,,, :D

and ive got 10 lights,whinch,bush wires,bull bar,you get the idea  :lol:

and every one always says to me,

DO YOU USE THAT OFF ROAD THEN MATE, :(

i normaly say to them you never know what you might come across on the school run, :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

and they go o right,looks nice :(  :(  :twisted:

mark
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: JumboBeef on September 03, 2007, 13:15:10
I thought bush wires on the road were illegal.....................?
Title: Re: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Lucy1978 on September 03, 2007, 13:49:44
Quote from: "thermidorthelobster"
Jeep94's post (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=48272) Standing next to my 6x6 101 at a show, talking to another guy with an overlanding 101, a guy came up and told us how obviously you should never run oversized tyres on 101s because you'll wreck them and cause all sorts of problems with the suspension and transmission.  I looked at the other guy and rolled my eyes;  I'd just driven to Guinea and back on 41" tyres in a 5 tonne 101, and the other chap had driven all round Africa in his overbooted 101, without any tyre-related transmission or suspension problems.  I think the tyre-kicking guy had picked the wrong pair of 101 owners to have this discussion with and seemed totally oblivious to the evidence right in front of his own eyes.


That would've been me then and the tyre kicker was Les Adams.  The unimog wheel thing's an ongoing debate.  :roll:


I keep getting asked if it's a Unimog, to the extent that whilst we were away we had Land Rover mudflaps made up, a guys till came up and said "is that a Unimog?" to which I replied, "no a Land Rover that's why it says Land rover on the Mudflaps" he then said "I did wonder about that"
 :roll:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Hightower on September 03, 2007, 16:37:27
Quote from: "POTASH"
a little lad said to his dad why has it got a chimney

'cos it's a diesel !!

The one that gets me is when people ask "Don't you think it's a bit of a waste, using such a nice car in all of that mud like you do?"  

Aaaaaaaaaaaagh  :roll:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Cherry Bomb on September 03, 2007, 16:49:56
Quote from: "wizard"
The one thing that get up my nose is every 4x4 seems to be a jeep.

I get the usual comments of nice Jeep( its a disco)
we have a jeep (they drive a Kia).
seen a nice jeep the other day, turns out to be a Toyota Hilux.
at work the car park is full of jeeps (includes all 4x4's)

wizard :twisted:


......Funny; no ones ever said I've got a nice Landrover?? :?
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: wizard on September 03, 2007, 17:27:34
Your right, everything that even remotely looks like a 4x4 is called a Jeep,
Its a pity that they group a classic vechile Like land Rover in with all the other rubbish !!

wizard
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: wrecker on September 03, 2007, 17:57:52
Quote from: "JumboBeef"
I thought bush wires on the road were illegal.....................?


i dont know mate,

never been stoped bye the rozzers and past the mot with them on so there staying there :roll:  :wink:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: thermidorthelobster on September 03, 2007, 18:00:55
Quote from: "wrecker"
Quote from: "JumboBeef"
I thought bush wires on the road were illegal.....................?

never been stoped bye the rozzers and past the mot with them on so there staying there :roll:  :wink:

Legal or no, I pity the poor pedestrian who steps out in front of you and loses a limb to them.  Aren't you tempted to take them off when not off-roading, for safety's sake?  Also you may find you're invalidating your insurance.
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: wrecker on September 03, 2007, 18:20:21
hiya mate,

insirance knows every mod on my truck mate,wires too

and yes if i tell the truth i do take them off when going to work,but put them on the night b4 then go fill up and drive to and from where im going,

just never had any bother from any one when on there,

the reason it went them on there is the day b4 i was going offroad,and told the guy who was doing the mot and said they arnt a prob, :oops:  :oops:  :oops:

didnt mean to upset any one on here with having them :oops:  :oops:  :cry:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: thermidorthelobster on September 03, 2007, 18:28:20
Sorry, I probably sound like your grandmother.  I'm just a bit wary of the old cheesewires  :(
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: wrecker on September 03, 2007, 18:35:47
nah dont say sorry mate,

i should of said i take them off when on the road for a long time :D

mark
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: andycwb on September 03, 2007, 19:32:43
Quote from: "POTASH"
i get asked about the snorkel, why do you have the exhaust that high,and a little lad said to his dad why has it got a chimney. :lol:


It surprised me how often I get asked that with the Dakar...
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: discograham on September 03, 2007, 19:33:50
I heard somewhere...or read somewhere... that wires were only legal if factory fitted... ie, to early camels ? Does that sound right ?... legislation being what it is they are all probobly illegal now... even on green lanes, which, of course, are mostly liable to the same laws as any road...

Shame I can't justify having them on mine as they do look good....
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: andycwb on September 03, 2007, 19:35:02
Quote from: "thermidorthelobster"

Legal or no, I pity the poor pedestrian who steps out in front of you and loses a limb to them.  Aren't you tempted to take them off when not off-roading, for safety's sake?  Also you may find you're invalidating your insurance.


The whole "pedestrian friendly" thing leaves me completely confused.  Surely the safest things is for the stupid lemmings to look before stepping out in front of 2 tonnes of Land Rover bearing down on them?
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Cherry Bomb on September 03, 2007, 19:37:33
Quote from: "wizard"
Your right, everything that even remotely looks like a 4x4 is called a Jeep,
Its a pity that they group a classic vechile Like land Rover in with all the other rubbish !!

wizard


 :(biglaugh):  :(biglaugh):

Classic!...... that's good I like that. :lol:

(Surely you meant to say..... an inferior copy of the original?)  :wink:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: thermidorthelobster on September 03, 2007, 19:42:05
Quote from: "andycwb"
Quote from: "thermidorthelobster"

Legal or no, I pity the poor pedestrian who steps out in front of you and loses a limb to them.  Aren't you tempted to take them off when not off-roading, for safety's sake?  Also you may find you're invalidating your insurance.


The whole "pedestrian friendly" thing leaves me completely confused.  Surely the safest things is for the stupid lemmings to look before stepping out in front of 2 tonnes of Land Rover bearing down on them?

Well, yes, but the front of a Land Rover hitting you at 20mph is big and blunt, whereas a piece of steel wire isn't.  I know which I'd rather walk out in front of.
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: wrecker on September 03, 2007, 20:06:45
well does that mean im ok then cos there on a vitara that is 1.2 tonnes or metal, :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

mark :wink:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: Bishops Finger on September 03, 2007, 22:19:51
The calling any 4x4 a Jeep gets me but then again the 'Do you use it off road' bit does get annoying..
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: simdeb on September 04, 2007, 00:17:20
Had a guy ask what the chimney was for , told hid so i could go in deep water he said how deep , i replied as long as that the top is out of the water were ok , he just looked dome not sure whether to beleave me or not .

As for the roof wires i have started to use the thin ratchet straps about an inch wide and come in all colours  they seam to work as well as the wire ones and easier to take on and off  

simon
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: jjsaul on September 04, 2007, 00:28:54
i've noticed loads of people referring to the high exhausts (snorkels)...they seem to fail to notice the standard metal pipe out the back where it normally is...  :roll:

i got asked if i take my rangie double cab offroad...i would have thought the coating of mud and panel damage gave the answer away (stupid rockery garden thingies in tesco car park  :lol: )

and i always remember the first time i took my first rangie offroad and got it plastered in mud / clay...i turned up at school and someone came in and asked me did i know what had happened to my car  :shock:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: kizz81 on September 04, 2007, 00:50:26
i get the usual why is your exaust there?
and why have washing lines on the front of your car??? ( my bush wires )
and my brother ( frontera driver) confidently tells me that im illegal for having spot lights on the roof

best thing i ever saw was when i was in my dads chevy van and a man stared at it so much he fell down sombodys steep drive way :lol:
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: corrosiverob on September 04, 2007, 08:41:42
I will tell you a good one.

I parked on double yellows the other day just to drop off a part at a shop. :oops:

The traffic warden came down the street in a fast walk to slap a ticket on it as they do...

by the time he got to my motor i was out of the shop and just getting back in the disco...

He tapped on the window and said as i cringed...

I should give you a ticket but because your truck looks so good you are free to go.

nice that...... plus he jokingly said "i can't reach the winscreen to slap a ticket on anyway!"
Title: 4x4 myths debunked
Post by: andycwb on September 04, 2007, 09:17:59
Quote from: "thermidorthelobster"
Quote from: "andycwb"
The whole "pedestrian friendly" thing leaves me completely confused.  Surely the safest things is for the stupid lemmings to look before stepping out in front of 2 tonnes of Land Rover bearing down on them?

Well, yes, but the front of a Land Rover hitting you at 20mph is big and blunt, whereas a piece of steel wire isn't.  I know which I'd rather walk out in front of.


True enough.
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