Mud-club
Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: simon15 on June 11, 2007, 14:01:03
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been looking around for a lift kit which im gonna get end of the month and been thinking of a 2" kit which will set me back about £260 inc brake lines.
but found this : 3" lift kit inc bump stops, straps and brake lines for just a little bit more.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120077586017&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002
Just wondered if anybody has any opinions on it?
Also would i still be able to run a standard prop? and would i get 3deg castor arms or 6deg as its in between the 2???
Also gonna get a bodylift just to give the cool look factor and to give me more room in the arch for whatever size tyres i decide on getting :)
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your props are going to start to vibrate and eat your ujs at 3"lift :wink: stick with a 2" :wink:
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is there a relatively cheap ish way of getting over this?
slightly longer prop or have heard about a adaptor you can put in to legnthen it?
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is there a relatively cheap ish way of getting over this?
slightly longer prop or have heard about a adaptor you can put in to legnthen it?
to be honest the way i got round it was to buy a td5 prop and output flange which was exspensive you need to ask your self why you really need a 3"lift :?: also you will need to look at the strain putting that type of lift on wil cause you radius arm bushes and trailing arms!!!! then you will be looking castor corrected arms then :shock: so in the end somethig that would have cost £260 ends up being more like £700 :wink:
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i will be needing castor correction arms for a 2" lift anyway so thats already on the shopping list.
a 3" lift will give me more travel which will perform better off road thats the only reason for the extra inch really.
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Sounds an obscure question, but what state are your swivels in?
If I was to do it all over again, I'd stick with the standard radius arms and go for the caster corrected swivels instead. The corrected arms aren't as tough as the originals and the swivels have less impact on the propshaft. But arms are easy peasy to swap, where the swivels will take at least a day to change (and it's a tedious job!).
The prop UJ will be prone to a accelerated wear with a lift as you are asking the joints to work through a greater angle, which shortens their life quite dramatically. A prop with a Double Cardan joint in (ala D2) will reduce the working angles and imporve working life.
Hope some of this is usefull.
I currently run QT 3deg arms with a custom DC prop on a 1+" lift Defender.
Cheers
8)
Eeyore
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unsure of the cond of the swivels i havnt really had a proper look over everything since ive had it.
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Having just done a +2, DON'T do a +3.
Having spoken to a guy who did a +3 and said DON'T do a +3, DON'T do a +3.
By the time you have fitted +2 and some big MTs, the drive will be very different. See my other +2 thread on here...I must admit that now and only now that I have put it back on Freestyles on big rubber do I think looks wise it was worth the effort. I say looks wise as I have yet to do the camel cut and fit the hoses and actually make any difference to off road ability!!!
I can already notice the difference in UJ noise (and bear in mind they were all new less than 2000 miles ago), tyre noise and it's now a right royal pain in the arse to get into!!!!
I know I'm newish here but just my 2p worth...
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Hi Simon.
Been reading a few of your posts recently and I have a question.
Is Project Tiger gonna be the complete, no expense spared, best of everything, ultimate off road Disco? Is money no object?
I only ask cos it seems as though you're really going to town on it. Castor correction, +3" suspension, body lift etc.
Stu.
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a 3" lift will give me more travel which will perform better off road thats the only reason for the extra inch really.
no it wont... a 3" lift will lift your chassis by 3". if you want more travel, you need longer shocks, dislocation cones, etc etc. you can get a hell of a lot of travel with a standard height suspension... its all how you do it.
if you fit +3" coils, +3" shocks, and extended bump stops, you'll basically still get the same travel as standard - you'll just be sat higher. now if you fit +2" coils, +2" shocks, -2" shock mounts, dislocation coils, etc.... you see where im going?
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got 3" front/ 4" rear lift on the disco.but it is not a case of just fitting springs/shock's :wink:
to get it right you will have to spend more than £250 on a spring/shock kit
all the extra bits soon add up :shock:
but well worth the extra work
and i still run on a standard front prop
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how come you can get away with running a standard front prop???
i do want to do everything properly but it will all be done gradually.
along with the 3" lift ill also be fitting 2" lower shock mounts, extended bump stops etc... so that it is all done the right way.
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I have a 2" lift on mine, scorpion +2 springs, decarbon +2 shocks, -2 turrets and rear shock mounts, +4 brakelines etc and it works very well. If it's articulation you're after have a look at Suggs' gallery, I think some of his kit came from Bullfrog.
Gav
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it is articulation im after but also to give it that wow factor to look at like Birdys... :)
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why not go for a 4 inch lift then?
I would suggest if you are going all out then do it big first time.
i ran at 4 inch with little additonal vibration from the prop but changed to a dual-cardon when i re mounted my shocks with extra long travel versions.
you wont gain travel as such but you gain room for tyres to travel upwards without hitting too early but without large offset the tyres will rub your turrets and rear spring hanger.
I would also look to dislocate from the axle.
As for the MM kit i dont know how good the springs are ...but you pay for what you get. Speak to Derrick from LRS as he can get custom made springs for about 250...
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The cheap kits sold by mm4x4, paddock etc are basically lift kits with the main aim of lifint the vehicles ride height.
If you want more flex from a complete bolt on package then how about the Weekender kit from QT services. I haven't tried it myself but have heard/seen some good reviews of it.
http://www.qtservices.co.uk/region.asp?id=319
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The cheap kits sold by mm4x4, paddock etc are basically lift kits with the main aim of lifint the vehicles ride height.
If you want more flex from a complete bolt on package then how about the Weekender kit from QT services. I haven't tried it myself but have heard/seen some good reviews of it.
http://www.qtservices.co.uk/region.asp?id=319
They only seem to do kits for the defender range not disco :(
Ok so for a decent suspension set up to give good travel good build quality and above a 2" lift what are the best out there at a sensible price?
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didnt you read my post??
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Think im going to try this kit and use the TD5 prop with castor correction lower shock mounts etc...
and most prob run 265/75 muds.
i pressume its the disco td5 prop and flange i need as the 90 do it too?
or they both the same?
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your call mate,
just remember..buy cheap, buy twice!
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that is very true but it looks like a good enough kit with all the bits.
ill also fit diss cones on the rear
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are we still talking about the M and m one?
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Yeah .
i have just asked him about how much the lines and shocks are extended by.
So we will see.
i could always buy the kit sell the shocks get 4" extended shocks fitted to lowered mounts and fit 1" spring blocks. or are these the wrong way to go??
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i fitted some, i had the spring rate exactly as i wanted it so didnt want to upset the applecart
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i have a 3 inch lift with +5 shocks to give long travel. there also an ajustable A-frame bracket and castor corected arms
all from Bullfrog a forum member.
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/karting4/a1-62.jpg)
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hopefully ill be getting pretty much the same set-up, just be using lowered shock mounts instead of the +5" shocks
do you have any more pics of yours suggs???
Also what tyre size are you running?
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mine also has aftermarket shock mounts and spring spacers
tyres are Insa turbo special track, 265/75/16.
more pics here and also in my profile
http://s32.photobucket.com/albums/d43/karting4/Essex%20Rochford%2013%20May%2007/
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definatly looks good.
So are you running +5 shocks and -2 shock mounts then??
what springs are you using?
Do you find any probs with the tyres catching?
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running these mounts
http://www.bullfrog4x4.co.uk/challenge_rear_shock_mounts.htm
springs are +2 and theres a 1 inch spacer giving +3. extended bumpstops and lines, and relocation cones
no problems with tyres rubbing anywere, and ive had it on the limit many times..
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some video here
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=karting4&search=Search
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Seems like a good price off bullfrog. :)
might get some 2" springs and fit 2" spacers along with the +5" shocks on -2" mounts, running castor correction and TD5 Prop and flange and 4" extended lines. and rear diss cones.
And all this for approx £700. will all get done as and when i got the cash :)
hopefully all done by the time the mud comes back :)
oh yeah and £300 for wheels and tyres :) :o :o :o
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With reference to MM4x4, I would never, EVER use them again. They are great when taking your money but absolutly useless when you encounter problems. Customer service? - they would probably choke when speaking those words.
Now, on to the kit.
That kit is just the start of things. When fitting it you will be altering the caster of the axles. If you do not correct this caster then the vehicle will handle slightly strangely but you will probably get away without changinfg the front prop.
If you do decide that the handling and the loadings are not to your liking than you are looking at fitting corrected radius and trailing arms. These will move the axle casings round so that they are now sitting in thier design position relevent to the chassis.
The other thing that happens when you suspension lift a vehicle is that you alter the alignment of the front and rear axles. This is because of the length of the panard rod. If you look under the disc from the front, the panard rod is the one that starts on the chassis to the top right and attaches to the axle at the bottom left. as you lift the vehicles suspension this rod will effectively pull the axle over to the right (view from the front) and so it needs to be made longer. Add in to your shopping list an adjustable panard rod.
If you are wanting to do the lift for cosmetic reasons then you are now done, but if you want greater articulation you also need to factor in the extended break lines, a polybush kit, relocation cones ..... the list goes on.
Enjoy doing it but have a bucket of water handy with which to quench your credit card ----- its going to get very hot!
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yeah it is definatly a long and not cheap list...
but i hope its going to be worth it in the end...