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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: woody on March 19, 2007, 08:39:16
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thats what it could go up to on the budget for so called gas guzzlers
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i have just posted about this on another forum......
could it happen and will it happen.....?
i know people say dont worry about things until they happen but 400 is just crazy ...... :( :( :( :(
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Signing their own death warrant.
Anyone who voted them in .... I bet your peeved now.
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If it had anything to do with the environment they'd base your road tax on your emissions.
But that'd be too simple & not pandering to the Guardian readers enough.
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It's all a smokescreen to generate money. How does taxing us more stop us polluting - IT DOES NOT.
Just put the tax on fuel - that way, oddly, people that do 17mpg pay MORE than people who do 60mpg .... simple, and the best thing is the means to do it already exists :rolleyes:
Oh and get this .. it works in two ways, it also can be used to "pay as you go" ... the more fuel you buy, the further you can drive on UK roads. Odd but true :shock:
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Oh and get this .. it works in two ways, it also can be used to "pay as you go" ... the more fuel you buy, the further you can drive on UK roads. Odd but true :shock:
Sadly I think the main reason they will perpetually shy away from increasing fuel duty is that it's already perceived as being disproportionate anyhow, hence the "fuel protests", and whilst this government might have gone to the precaution of making it illegal to repeat them I think that even they would balk at the idea of sending tanks over the top of people blocking a refinery ,,
And, so they raise road tax, and why not? we can hardly picket the post offices, since, frankly, finding one that's still open is a fairly substantial challenge
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The problem is we have people who don't pay road tax now so they certainly won't if the prices get hiked up.They have road accidents and have no insurance/tax/mot so insurnace prices go up to cover that as well. I still say put it on fuel prices then if you use the fuel you pay the price and eveyone has to pay tax.
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putting it on the fuel has to be best way forward as has been said the more that you use the more you pay.
Now why could the government not see this logic we wonder?
could it be that he needs a 'guaranteed' revenue hike without putting the price up to other motorists at the same time?
I just hope that they dont put the tax up on my 4x4 - mine is not one the chelsea tractor brigade and shouldnt be tarred with the same brush.
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But if you put it on fuel tax then people who live in rural areas are penalised.
Let's see ...
Put it on fuel tax: rural areas are punished because they drive more so use more fuel.
Put it on road tax: everyone with a higher band is punished despite whether they have converted to a greener fuel (LPG).
Put it on emissions: people who have converted to greener fuel are rewarded but you're not pandering to the anti-4x4 brigade who don't see a Mondeo 2.0 as worse than a Disco running LPG.
Basically it comes down to looking for votes rather than actually trying to come up with a sensible transport policy for the whole country.
Z~
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<rant>
To be blunt, vehicle types and green fuels is irrelevant. All vehicles have an environmental cost. A v8 on LPG still produces oodles of CO2 and emissions (your still incineratin' a gallon of dead dinosaurs every 18 miles) - but that isn't the point.
My car might not be the most CO2 friendly in the world, but I put out less emissions in a year than some folk pour out a month simply because I'm a little cautious about how often I use my car. My 10,000 miles a year is significantly less poluting than some rep clocking up 30 - 50k miles a year. Where is my incentive?
The people up the top need to remember the first question of engineering - what problem are we trying to solve? Understand the question and the solution virtually writes itself. But in this case, the solution requires a bit of investment from them.
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I feel better now! :wink:
Cheers
8)
Eeyore
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I think you'll find it is proposed it will be based on emissions, so therefore it will only effect post 2001 cars as those registered before this don't have official emmisions data.
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the worry is what they do to the "everyone else" category, since it did go up last year (granted, by a fiver) but ...
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knock tax off everything
knock off all income tax
PUT VAT UP TO 40%!
That way the skiving thieveing tax dodging, dole whallas, and similar, will have have to smarten up, cos to buy owt will be considerably more expensive, and the earners among us will be in exactly the same position as we are now!!
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I once suggested that rather than giving job seekers allowance as cash you replace it with a card scheme which could be used to pay for things provided they were not subject to VAT (this only works at food stores), which means that Alcohol, Cakesl, Cigarettes etc would be unavailable, but theoretically things like meat, veg and bread would be ...
note remotely practical, but an entertaining mental exercise.
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All it will mean for me is that I sell the Micra. I can't justify running an samll environmentally 'better' car that can't carry my dogs, pull my caravan or, quite frankly, survive the state of some tarmac roads in this authority.
So I'll be using the Range Rover more, but hell if I'm paying that much for road tax, I'll be getting my money's worth.
Don't worry too much though, 4x4 made up less than half of the cars penalised by the introduction of band G on road tax. All those politicialns won't be able to buy nice Merc convertibles for their wives/misstresses any more if they pay that much road tax.
Besides, everyone in the house of lords drives a Rolls don't they?
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they wont put the fuel price up because of the implications. tesco wont be able to sell there bread for 18p cuz it would cost more for the 11liter turboed 4mpg tuck to deliver it there for the whole cost of living would go up. avg shopping bill of £100 pm would about around £150+ same goes for clothes etc. free home delivery or home delivery for shopping would go up and buss prices would go up (dont let me get started on them) and my little old mum wont be able to afford to go anywhere with her grandkids cuz its to ****ing expencive. so the only logical way to put the money is on car tax. thats the way he looked at it. still wanna kick the living **** out of the ****er as he drives off in his jag..... which would look good awith me paj on top of it!!! :lol: :lol:
okies rant over and appologies to everyone except Mr Brownfor any offence taken Long live 4x4's
wonder what would be on browns head stone. here lies... where the rest of it gone? attached to the back of that paj by the looks of things :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Must admit IF it does go up by that much I shall leave my 998cc nova i use for commuting at home and take my "gas guzzling" V9 disco to work instead, As i go along with the theory that if i am paying a premium for something, then i must use it as often as i wish/able to.
I also agree that it should be put on fuel and NOT tax == simple really, More ya use more ya pay, But it dont work that way in this land does it ?? Come the revolution !!
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I am doing a little educating over on the Smart Boards! http://www.smartmaniacs.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=39906
You can probably guess who I am on there!
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The funniest (and saddest) thing about it all is that if you believe, as I do(and many, many more), that CO2 is not responsible for global warming it's all a load of b*ll*cks anyway! The scary thing is that it's not just a UK phenomena, either. The whole world is falling into this trap so I can't even emigrate to get away from it.
What did the Stone Roses say?
Ah, yes..."Stop the world. I'm getting off"
Simon.
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Our Ignis would go tbh. I would use the 110 V8 to go to school and Karen would use my 90
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well alot of people are with us on this one, i just copied and pasted this from me aol pages:
CAST YOUR VOTE
Is £400 a fair price to pay in road tax for owners of 4x4 cars?
Results: Votes Per cent
Yes 3,018 20%
No, should be less 10,181 67%
No, should be more 2,100 13%
Total votes: 15,299
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They can't up the road tax to £400 for "4x4s" as mentioned by the media, even on new cars. It's simply isn't feasible. How do you define the 4x4 "Chelsea tractors"? The reason why they haven't been singled out in the tax bracket is because there is no way to actually identify them easily.
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of course it's a 4x4 tax .. and of course it's for the environment ..
and where did all this smoke come from, it's quite screen like really isn't it ?
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now the thing that amuzes me is how we are all saying there should be more tax on fuel :shock:
if the "idiots" in parliment hadnt come up with £400 road tax / road pricing etc and just said were gonna put another 5p on fuel we'd be in uproar
however if they were to say were gonna scrap the road pricing idea / £400 road tax etc and just put 5p on a litre we'll all breath a sigh of relief :twisted:
call me cynical if you like............
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call me cynical if you like............
I think that the dividing line between a cynic and a realist is just a matter of experience, or that of forshadowing :)
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The bottom line with road tax is that we will all still go on paying it anyway. £400 per year is not going to stop anyone driving a big car. So the government are on to a winner whichever way you look at it.
They gain millions of Pounds every year.
They are seen 'doing something about pollution' :roll: .
And the only people who will be upset are the anti's who will say that the government haven't gone far enough......
You mark my words... and we'll see :lol:
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Revolution! :twisted:
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So my 2005 2L diesel Grand Vitara short wheel base is going to get hit... if so thats bloody unfair when the 2.3 people carrier which is bigger than my car gets away with it :roll:
Stupid Goverment havn't got a clue!
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Revolution! :twisted:
Sign me up :!:
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What about a mass drive of 4x4's into London 'to see the sights' of course. I can't advocate that anything is done along the lines of Critical Mass, coz that would be very naughty of me! :wink:
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What about a mass drive of 4x4's into London 'to see the sights' of course. I can't advocate that anything is done along the lines of Critical Mass, coz that would be very naughty of me! :wink:
i aint been to see the sights for a while now..... so could be a good time to go and have a look :wink: :D :D :D
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What about a mass drive of 4x4's into London 'to see the sights' of course. I can't advocate that anything is done along the lines of Critical Mass, coz that would be very naughty of me! :wink:
i aint been to see the sights for a while now..... so could be a good time to go and have a look :wink: :D :D :D
Agreed! :lol: :twisted:
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I see our old friends at the BBC are stereotyping on this issue as per usual, just watched the news and the clip of a 'gas guzzling car' was you guessed it a 4x4, the media should really know better, any wonder the antis are increasing. Made me laugh though, the 4x4 was a 2 litre Frontera Sport, is that not a Cavalier engine?? I have 3 cars and all of them are 2.5 litre, a sting could be on its way but I'm bugg£$d if any politician is going to tell me what I can or can't drive no matter how hard work or costly it may be, I wouldn't mind but my 944 does about 1000 miles a year tops, it's not worth £400 for the priveledge!!
Rant over
I feel better now :wink:
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Slightly cheating but mine is 4 wheel drive capable but only two wheel drive on tarmac :D
Bet I wouldnt pay less though :evil:
Its old anyway :roll:
Ste :wink:
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You can get the sport with 20l petrol and 2.2 petrol, 2.5 vm diesel and 2.8 Isuzu diesel :wink:
Ste
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The tax hike wont hit any of you unless you've bought a new BIG 4x4 since last year. Remember all the hype last time, the tax on my Disco went up a fiver.
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My wife drives a Nissan Serena 2.3D and I drive the Zuk... if they both go up to £400 they will both have to be sold, which P****s me off as SWMBO is used for her childminding business!
I'm bloody seething! :evil:
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maybe if they divided the CO2 up by the amount of seats the motor has - would this be fair? ie CO2 output per person carried
this way a little 2 seater smart thingy could be less green than a tdi disco 7 seater
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http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4x4bashing/
here we go - sign that - not that it will probably do much good but at least our voices will be heard
Put it on other forums too it's only open til Friday
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Signed it... cheers sweetie, but I guess it will be a useful as a fart in a spacesuit! :lol:
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as datalas said, its a smokescreen, to block us seeing the real reason
they just upping the price of everything to cover costs of the the olimpic games down in london and all the imigrents that they are letting into the country !!!
were paying for all of it :roll:
there banning this banning that upping this upping that.....they dont look ahead and think what its going to do to the economy, and what effect its going to have on the whole country
closed lake windemere because of polution :roll: my hairy ass :shock: :shock: the average outboard or inboard engine produces just as much co2 as a 1600 petrol car :shock: ....ne ways.....what did it do to the economy and surrounding areas ??....completely screwed it :shock: average buisness's were 80% down within the first two months of the season....so that means...buisness's closing.....people on dole....no tax and crap for the goverment...and no one travles upto the lakes....what they going to do now ???? planning to re-open it as they made a mistake :shock:
its going be same with pubs..no smoking...no 1 goes into pubs
cant smoke in works vehicles or else you get a fine :roll:
and there thinkin of lowering drink driving to 1 pint....so no one will deffo go a pub for a quiet night out :shock:
they cant see the aftermath of there stupid money making decisions cos the 2 busy up the own arses thinking of new bright ideas :roll:
this is the start of 1 big revolt :roll:
rant over, off to bed
slate me in the morning :evil:
dan
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I am doing a little educating over on the Smart Boards! http://www.smartmaniacs.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=39906
You can probably guess who I am on there!
haha, they're like zombies!
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Oh yeah- the only car i've ever felt was near rollling on a road was my sisters smart car on a windy bridge! :lol:
Ban them!
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it takes up 2x the road space of a normal car,
I liked that comment. My 90 is 60cm shorter than a ford focus and 5cm narrower.
Couldnt be bothered to register to post.
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I am doing a little educating over on the Smart Boards! http://www.smartmaniacs.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=39906
You can probably guess who I am on there!
haha, they're like zombies!
Did you know that we damage the roads :lol:
I particually like the pedestrian comment :lol:
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http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4x4bashing/
here we go - sign that - not that it will probably do much good but at least our voices will be heard
Put it on other forums too it's only open til Friday
Signed it
Im up for a trip to london in me paj, its tempremental and wont be help responsable if it breaks down somewhere.....
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what do you think of this petition before I hit the go button, I don't want to get into trouble !!
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to stop goverment bodies driving 20mpg 4 litre jaguars and get them driving 35mpg Land Rover Discoverys that seat 7 so better for road congestion and also better for the world as you need less of them due to the fact they carry more people around.
Submitted by gareth Williams – Deadline to sign up by: 20 May 2007
Category: Government, politics and public administration
More details:
The government are hypocrits. They swan around in cars that pollute the air more as they do less MPG than most 4x4s. They do nothing to stop rants about 4x4 name calling i.e. gas guzzlers which divides road users and don't see any bigger picture apart from lining their pockets.
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I changed it to this as didn't want a 'visit' in the early hours of the morning from men in black suits :lol:
We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to stop goverment bodies driving 20mpg 4 litre jaguars and get them driving 35mpg Land Rover Discoverys that seat 7 so better for road congestion and also better for the world as you need less of them due to the fact they carry more people around.
Submitted by gareth Williams – Deadline to sign up by: 20 April 2007
Category: Government, politics and public administration
More details:
The goverment drive around in cars that pollute the air more as they do less MPG than most 4x4s. They do nothing to stop rants about 4x4 name calling i.e. gas guzzlers which divides road users and don't see any bigger picture apart from lining their pockets. Increasing road tax for 4x4's is not the answer. Most 4x4's are shorter than most road cars so take up less room on the road and have better CO2 and mpg stats than most 2 litre plus cars. Why penalise us, why listen to groups of individuals who basicaly hate 4x4 users. Freedom of speech, freedom of car. There are other vechiles on the road that DO take up more room and DO have bad emissions, don't penalise 1 group.
It's been submitted now awaiting approval :!:
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Hey can anyone imagine mp's and the PM driving around in a toyota Prius with the electric engine??? LMAO
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didnt one of them do that though, then they said they got better mpg out of their diesel pool car????
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That was Clarkeson
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Nope, it wasnt clarkson, it was prescot, found the thread here (http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=39117)
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Oh, haven't the spin meisters done a wonderful job of getting everyone wound up and ranting away.
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The is no such vehicle class as a 4x4. Vehicles are grouped according to their emissions, and then only for vehicles registered after 2001.
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The £400 is purely speculation.
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No change can be retrospective, so pre 2001 vehicles will only be hit by the standard "cost of living" increase.
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The likely change will be to Band G vehicles, and possibliy Band F, and in there are an lot of other vehicles other than 4x4's.
I have just done an interview for ITV Wales on this very subject, and pointed out to them that even things like a Mini Cooper S 1.6 would be hit, but that a lot of 4x4's actually will not be affected.
I love some of the comments on the Smart forum!! I do wonder whether some of these people actually live in the real world!
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Best of both worlds perhaps.....
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http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/4x4bashing/
here we go - sign that - not that it will probably do much good but at least our voices will be heard
Put it on other forums too it's only open til Friday
Signed, but there was enough space to put "My Disco is more environmentally friendly than Tony's armoured Jag and Prescott's a*se!"
Shame that. :evil:
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people complain that 4x4 drivers drine like they own the road . . . soon we will
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i signed :wink:
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people complain that 4x4 drivers drine like they own the road . . . soon we will
hehe, I like it ...
"you 4x4 owners, acting like you own the blooming road" ... "well, we paid for most of it, so sling ya hook"
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just one other piont if london wasn't hosting the olympic's in a couple of years do you think we would be haveing this tax increase? :-k after all arn't thay something like £3 million short and a couple of mounth's behind scedule :(thinkhard):
just a thourt
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they makein us pay more . . . lets park a v8 rangie up their arse
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There was talk on the DOC website to arrange a little rally through London :lol: :lol:
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I swore i'd never go back to london but even i'd turn up for this one. and i'll come in fancy dress if i get to deck blair and brown!!!
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wonder what would be on gordon browns head stone.
A big, steaming t***
I'll see to it :wink:
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The funniest (and saddest) thing about it all is that if you believe, as I do(and many, many more), that CO2 is not responsible for global warming it's all a load of b*ll*cks anyway! The scary thing is that it's not just a UK phenomena, either. The whole world is falling into this trap so I can't even emigrate to get away from it.
What did the Stone Roses say?
Ah, yes..."Stop the world. I'm getting off"
Simon.
Too many people have their jobs tied up in feeding us that c**p about global warming. Apparently it was warmer in the middle ages than it is now, and the temperature of Mars is also rising.
They treat us like sheep.
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So my 2005 2L diesel Grand Vitara short wheel base is going to get hit... if so thats bloody unfair when the 2.3 people carrier which is bigger than my car gets away with it :roll:
Stupid Goverment havn't got a clue!
It's a pre-requisit for office :wink:
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as datalas said, its a smokescreen, to block us seeing the real reason
they just upping the price of everything to cover costs of the the olimpic games down in london and all the imigrents that they are letting into the country !!!
were paying for all of it :roll:
there banning this banning that upping this upping that.....they dont look ahead and think what its going to do to the economy, and what effect its going to have on the whole country
closed lake windemere because of polution :roll: my hairy ass :shock: :shock: the average outboard or inboard engine produces just as much co2 as a 1600 petrol car :shock: ....ne ways.....what did it do to the economy and surrounding areas ??....completely screwed it :shock: average buisness's were 80% down within the first two months of the season....so that means...buisness's closing.....people on dole....no tax and crap for the goverment...and no one travles upto the lakes....what they going to do now ???? planning to re-open it as they made a mistake :shock:
its going be same with pubs..no smoking...no 1 goes into pubs
cant smoke in works vehicles or else you get a fine :roll:
and there thinkin of lowering drink driving to 1 pint....so no one will deffo go a pub for a quiet night out :shock:
they cant see the aftermath of there stupid money making decisions cos the 2 busy up the own arses thinking of new bright ideas :roll:
this is the start of 1 big revolt :roll:
rant over, off to bed
slate me in the morning :evil:
dan
Don't forget that the LieBour party (and some of you idiots voted them in you wouldn't be told) has got to rob money from us somehow to cover their spending habbits. Last budget they said they would be borrowing 29 BILIION pounds in our name, they actually borrowed about ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY NINE BILLION POUNDS, or FOUR TIMES as much.
For crying out loud folks, wake up and smell the stench. It's time for these lying, backstabbing, cheating bar-stewards to be put out to grass.
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Oh, haven't the spin meisters done a wonderful job of getting everyone wound up and ranting away.
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The is no such vehicle class as a 4x4. Vehicles are grouped according to their emissions, and then only for vehicles registered after 2001.
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The £400 is purely speculation.
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No change can be retrospective, so pre 2001 vehicles will only be hit by the standard "cost of living" increase.
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The likely change will be to Band G vehicles, and possibliy Band F, and in there are an lot of other vehicles other than 4x4's.
I have just done an interview for ITV Wales on this very subject, and pointed out to them that even things like a Mini Cooper S 1.6 would be hit, but that a lot of 4x4's actually will not be affected.
I wish I had read this earlier, next door's cat wouldn't have missed a good kicking :wink:
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Well I renewed my tax yesterday just before the buget just in case £175
Just checked the dvla website and its only gone up £5. I was interested to see that they have no c02 data on my defender (300tdi)1997. Fiver not too bad me thinks or will i be in for a shock next march?
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Here it is...
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/HowToTaxYourVehicle/DG_10012524
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Despite car tax increases being based on emissions, Brown said on TV this morning that most people will be better off following his budget apart from those people who drive 4x4's...
...something of a slip that gives gives away his real prejudice me thinks! :evil:
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I am better off....
Taxed Piglet yesterday for £175 and Bagheera is Band F, so cost me £190 this year and will br £205 next year ... woooooo scary.
Income tax has netted me a big saving :p
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Instead of reading about views on the new Road Taxing system, i'm finding myself having a really good laugh reading what stereotypically grumpy, loud mouthed, right-wing Northerners think of the rest of the country, in their inimitible open-minded way, with a healthy splattering of expletives to illustrate how limited their intelligence is.
Keep it coming.
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Instead of reading about views on the new Road Taxing system, i'm finding myself having a really good laugh reading what stereotypically grumpy, loud mouthed, right-wing Northerners think of the rest of the country, in their inimitible open-minded way, with a healthy splattering of expletives to illustrate how limited their intelligence is.
Keep it coming.
Erm, go on...
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i found this new tax you didnt read about
End of the road: 4x4s targeted by £25 congestion super-charge
Cars in band G include the Range Rover 4.4 V8 petrol, Renault Espace 2 litre petrol, Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe 3.6 and BMW X5 4.8 litre
They emit more than 225g of CO2 per kilometre
Will be charged £25 for entering the congestion charge zone
· Fee for 'Chelsea Tractors' in London may treble
· Tories complain that mayor's move is punitive
Hugh Muir
Wednesday November 15, 2006
The Guardian
The mayor of London yesterday unveiled plans to charge the highest polluting vehicles £25 a day to drive in central London and the enlarged congestion charge zone to the west of the capital. In what is being seen by environmentalists as a significant advance, Ken Livingstone said the new charge would come into effect, subject to consultation, in 2009 or 2010, though he wants officials to speed up the timetable.
The measure would hit the owners of the heaviest 4x4 vehicles, with emissions above 225g of CO2 per km. Cars with the least harmful emissions, such as electric vehicles and hybrids such as the Prius owned by the mayor himself, would receive a 100% exemption.
Article continues
But the measure, described by supporters as the "end of the Chelsea tractor", is likely to cause political controversy and criticism from those already opposed to Mr Livingstone's crusade against 4x4s. He has already dubbed those who use the outsized vehicles in London "idiots". If the plan is enacted, the 18% of those who live within the current charging zone and drive the heaviest "Band G" vehicles would lose the discounts they receive and would face the super-charge instead.
Mr Livingstone said they would have three years to trade their cars in for less polluting vehicles, and those considering the purchase of a Band G vehicle should consider the additional cost.
"One in five vehicles is a Band G," he said. "It is the heaviest concentration in the country and one has to ask why people need four wheel drives in the most densely populated part of the UK. People are waking up to the fact we are bequeathing our children and our grandchildren appalling consequences if we don't act."
In the budget, the chancellor raised road taxes for the most polluting vehicles, with the worst offenders facing car tax bills of £210. Last month the borough of Richmond in south-west London said it may charge the owners of high-emission cars higher parking fees. Jenny Jones, a Green party member of the London assembly, said: "I would have pitched the daily rate higher but dropping the resident discount is very sensible. Goodbye Chelsea tractors and hello cleaner air."
Roger Evans, Conservative transport spokesman in London, said the aims were laudable but complained that the increased charge was punitive. "It is pushing people rather than pulling them. It is a tax and is tackling climate change in the wrong way." The proposal prompted angry reaction from the car industry. Christopher Macgowan, chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders said many family saloons, people carriers and estate cars would also be hit. "In his war against the affluent, he seems content to ignore this collateral damage to families," he said.
As Mr Livingstone detailed his plans, he was also forced to defend his ill-fated 4,600-mile flight with a team of aides to Cuba and Venezuela. He had hoped to meet President Hugo Chávez in Caracas and sign the "oil for brooms" deal, which will see London receive cheap oil in return for supplying the Venezuelans with municipal expertise. But he was forced to return home empty handed.
Darren Johnson, a Green assembly member and the mayor's former environment spokesman, said: "To announce this fantastic news on 4x4s and then parade a deal involving cheap oil is completely contradictory."
The cost to the motorist
£0
A and B vehicle excise duty bands (less than 120g CO2 per km). Models include Toyota Prius, G-Wiz electric mini car, some Ford Fiestas and some Renault Méganes
£8 a day
C, D, E, F bands (more than 120g CO2 a km and under 225g). Affected models include most Volkswagen Golfs, most Fords, many Mercedes and Audis
£25 a day
G band (more than 225g CO2 a km). Models include Toyota Previa, some Volvo XC90s, most Chrysler Jeeps, some Range Rovers and other large 4 x 4s
and here is what you will love to know check out this money maker
http://www.richmond.gov.uk/parking_chrages_consultation1.pdf
and here are the real bad boys
Model CO in g/km HC in g/km NOx in g/km
Bentley Arnage R 0.355 0.038 0.053
Bentley Arnage T 0.355 0.038 0.053
Bentley Arnage RL 0.355 0.038 0.053
Bentley Azure 0.355 0.038 0.053
Lamborghini Diablo 132 1.180 0.075 0.186
Lamborghini Diablo 132 SE 1.180 0.075 0.186
Lamborghini Diablo Roadster L144 1.180 0.075 0.186
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Auto 0.472 0.050 0.044
Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Manual 0.304 0.044 0.037
Aston Martin DB7 GT 0.286 0.155 0.249
Aston Martin DB7 GTA 0.472 0.050 0.044
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safe to say these [person of questionable parentage] live in and around london
you dont see these cars out side tesco do you
and now check out these [person of questionable parentage] these peaple want stringing up
http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/news.htm
just wait till they go for a day in the country and ijur themselfs and have to wait for a horse and cart to take them to medical help and not a 4x4 i hope they die on the way they will stop bitching then :twisted:
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definatly the was forward i reakon!
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Instead of reading about views on the new Road Taxing system, i'm finding myself having a really good laugh reading what stereotypically grumpy, loud mouthed, right-wing Northerners think of the rest of the country, in their inimitible open-minded way, with a healthy splattering of expletives to illustrate how limited their intelligence is.
Keep it coming.
ooh the can is open and the worms are everywhere.................... :roll:
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You really wouldn`t see my Bentley outside tescos :roll: ....We have people who do that sort of thing.
I cannot see the problem with this tax hike. :?
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Instead of reading about views on the new Road Taxing system, i'm finding myself having a really good laugh reading what stereotypically grumpy, loud mouthed, right-wing Northerners think of the rest of the country, in their inimitible open-minded way, with a healthy splattering of expletives to illustrate how limited their intelligence is.
Keep it coming.
Go on then, make it personal, expand the North South divide
Oh and the world does not revolve around London. :wink:
Steve
Also I would ask for your views but really dont care what you think. :tongue:
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Go on then, make it personal, expand the North South divide
Oh and the world does not revolve around London.
but the world does revolve around london, it go's anti clockwise as it is the toilet bowl of the uk
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What about a mass drive of 4x4's into London 'to see the sights' of course. I can't advocate that anything is done along the lines of Critical Mass, coz that would be very naughty of me! :wink:
i aint been to see the sights for a while now..... so could be a good time to go and have a look :wink: :D :D :D
need to go on a weekend though. Dont want to give em any congestion charge money!!!
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Despite car tax increases being based on emissions, Brown said on TV this morning that most people will be better off following his budget apart from those people who drive 4x4's...
...something of a slip that gives gives away his real prejudice me thinks! :evil:
You mean he has tried to hide it ?
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Just be looking at the co2 stuff and if you are thinking of getting a new freelander get a manual not auto man,205co2 will cost-£205--and the auto,240co2 will cost £300. :(mad):