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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: smo on January 18, 2007, 14:59:38
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Had a crash this morning, i shant go into details too much but the end results are below!
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Essentially Landrover --> Van --> Red Car --> Blue Car.
Thankfully everyone walked away relatively ok, although to say i'm a little sore and stiff is a understatement!
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Glad you are ok if a little stiff in places........... metal can be fixed it's so much harder with humans :?
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oooh dear, glad to hear your ok though, wind behind you was it :?
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I agree. Better that your legs don't have the same kind of bends as your bumper does now.
Never mind, it'll buff out.
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I'm in a lot of pain at the moment, back neck and head - but found out a landy steering wheel is actually quite soft (altho my cheek/nose doesnt agree!)
We are all lucky to be walking away, like people have said metal can be fixed...altho 3 of the 4 cars are proably writeoffs :(
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other than the bent metal is it still driveable ?
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what did you do, ram all the other vehicles?
No wonder you bent the landy :wink:
glad yr ok tho mate
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No, its not drivable, damaged front, rad, intercooler, stearing, chassis the works.
Yes, essentially i rammed the vehicles.
I came around a corner to be faced with the back of a van, stationary with no brake lights on or anything. I braked, skidded and hit him, due to not having his brakes on he hit the red car, then the red car hit the blue car!
It all went in slow mo, i remember thinking when i wasnt gonna stop, then swearing then bang, nothing! I was then nearly flattened by a 40T artic coming the other way who only just stopped in time. :shock:
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Well that's why we have insurance :wink:
Take care of yourself, let others argue about the metal. Glad you're in one peice, if a little sore.
Car looks kind of used now, I'd leave it llike that :D
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have you been given a loan car whilst your's is being evaluated for repair ?
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I get a loan car today for 48 hours, after that it depends whats happening but my insurance dont give me one!!
The big landrover/jag/other bodyshop round here had it, arrived a few hours ago and is being assessed as i type. Might take a drive up there to speak to them once my hire car arrives.
Its going to be close as to it being written off or not, the van almost certainly is and probably the red car too.
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hard luck mate, never easy but like everyone else says you and everyone else is ok and thats the main bit.
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check the hire car over with a fine tooth combe when it arrives, i got one when some [ed: naughty] caved the door in on my "parked" BMW, when they delivered it it was snowing and it had a crack in the windscreen only i didn't see cos it had snow covering it, they said it was my fault for not checking so i had to pay for a new screen !!
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Kid at school today decided it would be fun to go out in his 3-day-old Yaris and do some skids. Apparently, the first one was quite good, but the second one pitched it on its side. And he wonders why his insurance is expensive. :twisted:
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Its going to be close as to it being written off or not,
I wouldn't give up hope. It's quite a modern Land Rover being a Td5 isn't it?
Because of that, it has a high value and if the costs required to get it back to how it was is less than the value then you should have that happen. ;) New chassis, new front end and the odd ancillary and it should be good to go I imagine.
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Its going to be close as to it being written off or not,
I wouldn't give up hope. It's quite a modern Land Rover being a Td5 isn't it?
Because of that, it has a high value and if the costs required to get it back to how it was is less than the value then you should have that happen. ;) New chassis, new front end and the odd ancillary and it should be good to go I imagine.
Rich....
You've missed the main cost - LABOUR!!!
Chances are if the 90 needs new chassis it will be written off... as the cost of the chassis, all new panels, paint etc etc and then labour soon add up.
Smo...
Hope your ok!... as everyone has already said... No one was badly hurt (apart from sore necks and your pride!!) - and everything else is metal.
However... if they do write it off, or won't have it repaired... BUY IT BACK!!! Ideal basis for your off roader! :wink:
If they give you option to buy it back, and you don't want it - give me a shout, depending on the price I might be interested.
Ian
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The way the landy is built may well mean that a rebuild on the front end is viable, hope so, lot of time in that motor by the looks of it
At least you will be able to drive, hate to think what the result of a normal car going throught the same impact would have done to you
One point, if the van didn't have his brakes on and was pushed into the vehicle in front, your insurance company may be able to do something about the collatoral damage on the other vehicles in front of the van, ie through his insurance, might be worth a word with them if you havn't already
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Ian - cheers m8, i'll keep you posted.
Hobbit - i'll speak to them tomorrow when my brain starts working again!
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worth pm'ing Barmiebrummie as thats his bread and butter ;)
may be able to do you a rough estimate
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With the van not having his brakes on has probably saved you alot of injuries as he was in theory a soft impact instead of a solid object, you hit an object that took the force and moved away again.
Glad your well though.
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With the van not having his brakes on has probably saved you alot of injuries as he was in theory a soft impact instead of a solid object, you hit an object that took the force and moved away again.
Glad your well though.
Possibly, had he have had his brakes on then i would have known he was stationery much sooner than i did.
But doesnt matter! We all walked away and are ok, if a little sore!
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Just a bummer , as because you were the last car its automatically your fault!
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Just a bummer , as because you were the last car its automatically your fault!
Indeed, not so much a bummer though because in this case it clearly was my fault, no wriggling or denying it.
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If he'd had his handbrake on, wouldn't that mean his brake lights weren't lit? Sounds daft, but I've never been sure whether brake lights are connected to the handbrake too.
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If he'd had his handbrake on, wouldn't that mean his brake lights weren't lit? Sounds daft, but I've never been sure whether brake lights are connected to the handbrake too.
No they arent as the brake lights would be on all the time when your parked and flaten your battery and have you ever got out your car and popped something in the boot and seen the brake lights on :wink: It is a good idea though that hand brake should be wired up to brake lights when the engine is running.
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On a road such as it was you wouldnt be applying the handbrake in any curcumstances especially not for someone turning off. It just so happens that no brake lights were showing at all!
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yeah but when tou learn you are supposed to put the handbrake on, not sit on the brakes.
but at the end off the day, as long as your all ok let the insurance companys do the rest
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At junctions and traffic lights etc when your stopped for a few seconds or more your supposed to apply the hand brake as holding your foot on the foot brake (i have been told) creates the brake disk to warp as the metal where the pads done touch cool down faster than the metal under the pads.
I am no expert on hand brakes but surely non LR vehicles have the brake pads on the rear wheels pull on by the hand brake. Any truth in this?
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Hi Smo,
Firstly glad you and everyone is ok. Its is only a car, but if you ask it shows how well landies are built... It stood up well.
If it is written off, don't forget your snorkel...
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pair of wings,bonnet bumper rad n intercooler n a check over n thats sorted
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pair of wings,bonnet bumper rad n intercooler n a check over n thats sorted
At best... or a chassis at worst.
My mate did a very similar thing in his 110 and the chassis is very bent!!!
Ian
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Hi,
glad to hear you are ok, but still if your neck is sore - see your doctor!
had a similar incident last year, but the bull bar took the brunt of the impact.
that is what insurance is for - we pay for it, don't like to use it, but in the end - if you have to, you claim.
regards
ela
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pair of wings,bonnet bumper rad n intercooler n a check over n thats sorted
At best... or a chassis at worst.
My mate did a very similar thing in his 110 and the chassis is very bent!!!
Ian
i did the same with mine & needed an indicator lense & grill :lol:
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I am no expert on hand brakes but surely non LR vehicles have the brake pads on the rear wheels pull on by the hand brake. Any truth in this?[
not sure about outher makes but my 1995 shogun had disks on rear axle/ but had a drum brake for hand brake the rear disk ran around itquote]
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i will buy it for £400
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pair of wings,bonnet bumper rad n intercooler n a check over n thats sorted
Sadly nto mike, much more front end damage than that, the whole stearing system is nackered and suspension is damaged too. Engine damage looks to extend further than the intercooler/rad as well.
chassis is definatly damaged and out of line as the rear crossmember as moved considerably on one side, the N/S is wher it used to be and the O/S has moved rearwards by about 1.5" - not huge but nociable ammount.
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pair of wings,bonnet bumper rad n intercooler n a check over n thats sorted
Sadly nto mike, much more front end damage than that, the whole stearing system is nackered and suspension is damaged too. Engine damage looks to extend further than the intercooler/rad as well.
chassis is definatly damaged and out of line as the rear crossmember as moved considerably on one side, the N/S is wher it used to be and the O/S has moved rearwards by about 1.5" - not huge but nociable ammount.
Sounds very much the same as my mates 110"... his accident was very similar too. He came round a blind bend on a dual carrigeway only to find a van broken down... couldn't avoid as had a car level with him in the right hand lane... shifted the van a good few foot. And gave the bloke, who was still sat in it, a bit of a fright!!! :shock:
Smo, you have a pm by the way....
Ian
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i will buy it for £400
& ill triple that offer
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Glad your'e ok.. sorry about the landy... You haven't had a lot of luck with that so far...:cry: ( Whaddon ! )
But in a way it did you proud... your'e still here !
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Glad your'e ok.. sorry about the landy... You haven't had a lot of luck with that so far...:cry: ( Whaddon ! )
But in a way it did you proud... your'e still here !
Cheers Graham, whaddon was fun tho, this wasnt so much. I thought i hurt yesterday, its taken me 5 mins to shuffle my way over to the computer and sit down this morning as i can barely move!
Ian - I've briefly seen ya PM, will reply when i wake up more!
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I thought i hurt yesterday, its taken me 5 mins to shuffle my way over to the computer and sit down this morning as i can barely move!
Get to your doctors ASAP then. I know us blokes are very stuborn about going but in these circumstances you need to GO. I am sure other people will agree with me on this. :wink:
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I have been, i have whiplash...and bruised ribs amongst other random injuries which keep popping up!
Keep moving and keep taking the Ibuprofen basically!
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if you need to take paracetomol inbetween the ibprofin keeps the medicine topped up nicely.
couple of years a go customers son decided to wrap the front end iof his landy round a tree after drink driving.
damage was in a similar area and that needed a new chassis but they classed it as a Catagory C so they brought it back and spent the next 12 months repairing and repainting and its looks as good as new now.
but dont forget if its quite new they may repair it.
gets some rest and hope you feel better soon.
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Smo,
I think you need to change your signature...
'04 90 CSW TD5....modded here and there :wink:
Is more of a 88" now :wink: :D (or even an 80")
'04 88" CSW Td5.... heavily modded here and there :wink:
(sorry... tis a bit cruel :wink: )
Ian
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Pah, i might have shrunk the bodywork a bit but the chassis is still the same length, just not quite the same shape!
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SMO... I know you've been to your doctor but also consider going to a good Chiropractor. They look ath things from a different viewpoint and in some cases can carry out an adjustment that'll take the bulk of the problem away.
But get in early. I had an accident in the eighties where I pretty much dived headfirst to the gym floor from about 5'... went to he medical centre (was a squaddie at the time) na dthe medic gave me a sponge collar and said come back in the morning.
I was off on a course the foloowing morning so just wore the collar for 6 weeks. 20 years later C1 & C2 are misalligned and despite frequent adjustments are unlikely to re-allign correctly. If I'd seen who I should have when it happened I would be a whole lot happier now!
Good luck
Skibum
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Skibum - great minds think alike, i'm booked in to see my "tried and tested" chiropractor tomorrow afternoon and she will assess and treat as nessecary :)
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Skibum - great minds think alike, i'm booked in to see my "tried and tested" chiropractor tomorrow afternoon and she will assess and treat as nessecary :)
Good man...
Wait... "She"...? Darn... I gotta put up with a a 6' 4" Belgian bloke!
:(sulk):
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Glad to hear your ok smo :shock:
:)
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Hmm, spoke to the repairing garage earlier and it looks like its going to be a write off.
Insurance assesor has been and is doing his report. I was amazed to hear the estimated repair cost...then they said it might need a front axle at a whapping £5500...yes 5.5K for one axle!!!! :shock:
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Hmm, spoke to the repairing garage earlier and it looks like its going to be a write off.
Insurance assesor has been and is doing his report. I was amazed to hear the estimated repair cost...then they said it might need a front axle at a whapping £5500...yes 5.5K for one axle!!!! :shock:
load of crap aint it? exactly the reason that insurance is largely a waste of time and money
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I hope to buy back the salvage though and rebuild her myself into a challenge truck.....depends what the insurance company say.
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Bad news SMO, my 90 was rear ended over xmas, i have a seriously deformed rear but it ain't damaged my chassis other than the very rear and the x member, so i'm lucky. We all walked away aswell with just the usual whiplash / bruises etc etc which is double lucky. The only fatality was the J33p, it just folded when it bummed my 90...........
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Thats not good Jim - i take it you are going to be repairing her?
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I was amazed to hear the estimated repair cost...then they said it might need a front axle at a whapping £5500...yes 5.5K for one axle!!!! :shock:
It cant be that much for an axle??? Isnt it the reason we buy landies is because parts are so stupidly cheap??? I would have a look on Paddocks or somewhere and look to see if you can find axles alot cheaper.
I know a van that was close to being a write off and we faught it and found a garage that would send in a quote using second hand parts for some bits and the insurance co said yeah go ahead with that quote then.
It maybe worth a try :?
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Parts would need to be brand new from LR cos of the warranty.
I herd from the insurance assesor today and its been declared a total loss - so now i have to fight about its value and if i can buy back the salvage to rebuild myself.
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Thats not good Jim - i take it you are going to be repairing her?
Hope so, the insurance have not accepted the estimates yet..............
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Thats not good Jim - i take it you are going to be repairing her?
Hope so, the insurance have not accepted the estimates yet..............
Christ! Dragging on a bit theneh Jim.
I only crashed on thurs morn and i've already got to the negotiating money stage for settlement. You wanna be jumping up and down on their heads a bit more, get them moving :)
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Yes it seems its more hassle when it aint your fault than it is when it is. When i wrecked my jeep it was all my fault (well kinda anyway) and was sorted quick smart.........
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I have been, i have whiplash...and bruised ribs amongst other random injuries which keep popping up!
Keep moving and keep taking the Ibuprofen basically!
Thats good advice. You will probably feel worse tomorow. Gentle movements of the aching body parts will prevent stiffening up. Nice hot bath might make you feel better too. Glad your ok. If things dont improve after a few days get down the doc for a check. Some times a few sessions with the physio can work wonders. Ibuprofen is good for these types of aches. If that not working well ask the doctor. There are some good alternatives on precription.
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Cheers Berliner Beer - i've been to the chairopractor too and its really not bad, i SHANT be making a personal injury claim! My neck isnt too bad now but my head is a bit messed up, obviously got some concussion :(
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If he'd had his handbrake on, wouldn't that mean his brake lights weren't lit? Sounds daft, but I've never been sure whether brake lights are connected to the handbrake too.
No they arent as the brake lights would be on all the time when your parked and flaten your battery and have you ever got out your car and popped something in the boot and seen the brake lights on :wink: It is a good idea though that hand brake should be wired up to brake lights when the engine is running.
You're right of couorse JAmes, but the front brakes do about 70% of the work, so other than the weird old Alfasud most cars have the brakes at the back, if not a separate hub within the disk.
Anyway, the hand brake only MUST be applied in a few circumstances and even then the foobrake is also a means of signalling to following drivers, though I doubt you can shift much blame if any with this arguament, because you also drive no faster then you can stop within the ditance you can see to be clear ahead of you.
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Blimey, SMO bit of a crunch!! Hope you recover soon!
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I was off on a course the foloowing morning so just wore the collar for 6 weeks. 20 years later C1 & C2 are misalligned and despite frequent adjustments are unlikely to re-allign correctly. If I'd seen who I should have when it happened I would be a whole lot happier now!
Not trying to hijack the thread but if it's still giving grief, try finding a really good physiotherapist. :?
PM me for a more complete reasoning.
Cheers
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Eeyore
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Blimey, SMO bit of a crunch!! Hope you recover soon!
I'm not too bad, my head is much better now but the poor landy is a "total loss" :(
Still if i buy her back then i have a perfect base for my new truck!
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Ooh nasty. Managed to smash up my Focus late november, did me a favour in a way as I was about to sell it to buy my Disco, ended up ringing the bloke I was buying it off, "Good news mate, you don't have to wait for me to sell my car. Bad news too though, you've now got to wait for me to get a cheque off Norwich Union.". They even paid me more than the car was actually worth.
Did however have problems actually getting the money off them. "Yes sir the cheque is in the post.", repeatedly over a 3 week period. Eventually persuaded them to cancel the cheque (which I still suspect was a figment of somebody's imagination) and pay the funds direct into my account, and that was with constant harassment, ie ringing them every day until they got sick of hearing my voice.
Hope you get it all sorted out.