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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: M19 ROO on October 26, 2006, 03:40:58
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just had a thought would these be road legal? lets just say you hit a pedestrian and they managed to get thrown upwards, wouldnt they cut them in half!
so thought are they road legal?
whats peoples opinions... discuss?
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(pics stole from scorpion racing sorry but plan to spend money with you soon so plz dont sue me)
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I've seen vehicles on the road with them, not sure if the MOT man would like them though but thats an easy fix for just one hour a year!
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i like the look of them but what do they do? i mean why are they there? whats there purpose?
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Wire kits keep branches, particularly the heavier ones, from smacking the windscreen and causing damage.
Handy if you drive lots of heavily wooded greenlanes... or the amazon rainforest... not really convinved of the need to have them permanently attached.
A couple of quick release connectors at either end and they can sit in yer kit bag till they're needed.
Otherwise.... 4x4 bling!
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I feel sure that there is a law in relation to having having sharp edges or sticky out things that may cause harm e.g the Rolls Royce silver lady.
Then again, if someone gets hit by a large vehicle, its going to cause harm. Damage limitation, I suppose.
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i like them me like wounder where i can get sum?
if you run some1 over they wont get flung up that high anyways if the wire dont get them the truck will if u c my point :P
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To the best of my knowledge, they aren't legal for road use.
The other issue with them is that fixing them to the wings isn't really a great idea. On the original Camel Trophy vehicles they were attached between the cage and the bull bar, both reasonably substantial objects.
A couple of M6 bolts through the wing aren't going to take a lot of strain, nor is the wing assembly itself, so unless you have something especially strong to attach them to, then you'll risk causing more damage than you save.
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I feel sure that there is a law in relation to having having sharp edges or sticky out things that may cause harm e.g the Rolls Royce silver lady.
Then again, if someone gets hit by a large vehicle, its going to cause harm. Damage limitation, I suppose.
The law with regard to hood ornaments applies to manufacturers. There is nothing to prevent an owner from bolting a mascot on the bonnet as many do.
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thats suggests that a wire would be a hood ornament which is an argument i dont think the beak would like. They arent legal this has been debated before.
I dont think they are worth the effort either just drive more slowly when there is a large branch and arent we supposed to be leaving little or no damage??
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Actually I'll withdraw my comments! Having just read the relevant Construction & Use legislation it is clear that bonnet mascots as they are known are not permitted unless they are not liable to cause injury.
Similarly the Road Traffic Act provides that any vehicle used on a road with accessories that may cause injury commits an offence. However this section is so wide ranging as to require test in the courts as it could be argued that a prominent winch may fall foul of such legislation also?
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ANOTHER FUNNY ONE.
IT ONLY TAKES 1 COPPER THAT DONT LIKE EM AND YOU WILL GET A TICKET, REGARDLESS OF MOT STANDARDS OR NOT.
IVE HAD A SCREEN THAT WAS CRACKED, IT WAS NOT AN MOT FAIL BUT THE OLD BILL PULLED ME AND GAVE ME A TICKET.
I EXPLAINED THE MOT MAN HAS SAID IT IS DEFINATELY NOT AN MOT FAIL, BUT THE OLD BILL JUST SAID ROAD TRAFFIC ACT BLA BLA I DONT LIKE IT TOUGH HERES A TICKET.
I THINK YOU WILL HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH THESE CABLES.
PS. I DONT THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THEM ON THE ROAD ANYWAY, THEY WOULD BE LIKE CHEESEWIRE TO A PEDESTRIAN, I KNOW GETTING HIT BY A 2 TON TRUCK IS GONNA HURT, AND BREAK THINGS BUT CHEESEWIRE IS I DIFFERENT MATTER!
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I've seen this discussion before - the upshot, from what I remember, is that these limb-risers are only legal if they are factory fitted (this is how the Camel Trophy vehicles get away with it).
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2 points to note:
First is that "road legal" includes green lanes. If you can't use them on green lanes what is the point?
More importnat is that we get enough bad press as it stands. All these would really achieve is to povide a very strong argument fo the anti's.
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I've seen this discussion before - the upshot, from what I remember, is that these limb-risers are only legal if they are factory fitted (this is how the Camel Trophy vehicles get away with it).
Just about to post the same :D. It is because there were fitted on the original Camel Trophy LRs at the factory. This makes them the only LRs that are legal for them to be fitted to.
Paul
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some good points!
i'll be honest... i like them think they look pritty cool and do have some purpose (in a wooded area)
and i'll e honest about police... i live bang next door to a station so i know all in my area and dont really think that it would be a problem as most of them are quite think lol sad but true when it comes to vehicles.
but there is the threat to the general public... i hope to god i never ever hit anyone but should it happen i dont want to see them gettin chopped in half over my bonnet!
so im still undecided....
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i live bang next door to a station so i know all in my area and dont really think that it would be a problem as most of them are quite think
'think'!! I bet they can spell though ;)
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:oops:
thick! thanks for makein me look just as dumb haha
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:D Also they are good for stopping traffic light window cleaners!!! :lol: :lol:
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Is having bush wires really going to affect the safety of pedestrians though? The chances of anyone being thrown up over the bonnet by your average lifted 4x4 is pretty slim I think ? :?
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:D Also they are good for stopping traffic light window cleaners!!! :lol: :lol:
:(biglaugh):
I like em & I want them :(scared):
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IMHO, i think they are only legal on the camel vehicles only, not all LR.
but for the record, i like them and i might put some on my truck at somepoint.
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I think I heard not legal somewhere, it's classed as an exposed sharp edge.....
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what makes them a sharp edge cos a lr bumper is sharp at speed cos its square
they aint sharp but think they are a tad dangerous to pedestrians so do you need them as a perminant fixture?
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Sorry guys but can you tell me why you need em? Ive put some new routes through private woodland and have not needed them- i think unless you happen to be going into the darien gap they are pure pose value.
So if they are only to pose is it worth the potential for maiming someone? errr NO :roll:
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If they are for pure pose value "I like them" then really why?
There are enough people anti 4x4's without providing ammunition. It really would not be hard for somebody to set up a demo of a dummy being cut in half and "it's very unlikly to happen" makes a pretty poor defence.
Come to that when the picture is there of a dummy cut in half wonlt it be a good relpy to say "because I can"?