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Vehicle & Technical => Discovery => Topic started by: Discotel on September 20, 2006, 17:26:04
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Hello all, I am after buying a winch bumper for the old gal, which do you think is better, the tubeular type or the square type..?...I am also after a winch to go with it and wonder about the new ones you see on ebay, there is one that has a 11,000 pound pull, 6HP and wireless remote, its £279 I think...seems cheap...I dont want to pay silly money as its only for my offroader..gota be worth a go dont you think..?
Regards, Terry
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I fancy the square type .I dont know I just dont think the tubular ones suit the boxy shape of a Disco
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It's all really down to personal choice. What do YOU feel would look better on the front of your Disco?
Me, well I've gone for the square tyre one that I got from David Bowyer, it's strong, will last for years, you can Hi-lift off it and I feel it suits the motor.
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/landrovers/mud03.jpg)
As for the winch: You get what you pay for.
All the new winches you see for around £300 are made in China and spares are the same price as makes like Warn & Superwinch, if you can get them!!
I had a GEW 10000 (same winch as the Champion C10000G-S, just a different badge) on the Disco for about 2 years. Now don't get me wrong, it was a good winch and pulled well but the paint soon started coming off and the motor gave up the ghost last month and it's not really worked that much. A new motor for it is over £125!
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/landrovers/images/winch02_25513702.jpg)
I now have a Warn XD9000 which I know I can get parts for in the UK, the coating is far better on it, the winch is faster than the GEW and overall you can see the difference in quality. :wink:
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/heb-photos/Winch02.jpg)
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If money is no object (and you want the best) get a Devon 4x4 one.
(http://www.devon4x4.com/user/d44d1lowta.jpg)
http://www.devon4x4.com/shop.php?mode=productview&sitelang=&product=201&cat=6&subcat=9
Failing that the Scorpion Racing one is nice and snugg
(http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/OFFROAD/Products%20images/cats/prot/bump/dwbump2.jpg)
(http://www.scorpionracing.co.uk/OFFROAD/Products%20images/cats/prot/bump/dwbump3.jpg)
There are plenty of companys that make cheaper bumpers.
Paidia make a nice one too
(http://paidia4x4.com/disco.jpg)
click me for web link (http://paidia4x4.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=130&osCsid=3126ce3ac7c94e5be392cdfee3aa17f9)
Rebel sell bumper and winches as a package
(http://www.rebel4x4.co.uk/media/photos/discovery_winch_bumper3_large.jpg)
http://www.rebel4x4.co.uk/winches_bumpers.htm
:D
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Personnaly i dont like the tubular bumpers on Discoverys
This is the Disco parts version.
(http://www.discoparts.com/productimages/273.jpg)
web link (http://www.discoparts.com/asp/d-no.asp?ProductID=273&Process=1&CatID=4&SubCatID=29)
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if it was me
id have d4x4's one
its awesome :wink:
danny
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Personnaly i dont like the tubular bumpers on Discoverys
This is the Disco parts version.
(http://www.discoparts.com/productimages/273.jpg)
web link (http://www.discoparts.com/asp/d-no.asp?ProductID=273&Process=1&CatID=4&SubCatID=29)
Just naw
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The bumper is down to your personal choice, and what style you want. Some have shackle and jacking points, some only have shackle points. Some stick out more than others, some require the grill to be trimmed to fit your winch.
RE the winch, remember where you will be when you are using it.
...I dont want to pay silly money as its only for my offroader...
Exactly - you're going to be in a situation where you need to recover either yours, or another persons vehicle, possibly in the middle of nowhere. If you are happy to rely on a budget winch to get you and your pride and joy home after a momentary lapse of concentration, then like the bumper - it's your choice. :wink:
As well as this - think about spares, service and support for your winch. It's a pretty big investment, you don't want to be replacing it every couple of years just because you cannot get spares for it.
Just my thoughts as I've been doing the same lately. :wink:
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I fancy the square type .I dont know I just dont think the tubular ones suit the boxy shape of a Disco
here is mine with tubular bumper its a first four jobbie i think it looks nice
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i prefer the look of the square ones which wraparound the front corners:)
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I fancy the square type .I dont know I just dont think the tubular ones suit the boxy shape of a Disco
here is mine with tubular bumper its a first four jobbie i think it looks nice
kool pic PUX!!! i like ur disco :D
u should put that pic in the mod section and see if u can get that post up and going again :D
dan
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I fancy the square type .I dont know I just dont think the tubular ones suit the boxy shape of a Disco
here is mine with tubular bumper its a first four jobbie i think it looks nice
kool pic PUX!!! i like ur disco :D
u should put that pic in the mod section and see if u can get that post up and going again :D
dan
cheers dude she is not too well at the mo after i got hit by a 17tonner :roll: :roll: :roll: which thread are u referring to matey :D
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Pux
where did you get your wheel arches from ?
fancy a set of them myself 8) 8)
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Devon 4x4 (http://www.devon4x4.com/shop.php?mode=browse&sitelang=en&cat=27&subcat=62) sell them but you best read up on it as there is alot of cutting to be done and the kit for the 5 door model is not the easiest to fit as you have to cut into the main framework of the rear doors. :wink:
The cut-outs:
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/landrovers/images/Dscf0009_15324571.jpg)
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/heb-photos/Dscf0011.jpg)
Finished item:
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/landrovers/disco14.jpg)
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oo er :oops:
still might get some though :lol: :lol:
+ i have the 3 Door 8)
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Easy job then, just like mine was!! :shock: :wink:
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Thanks for all the posts guys, I am going to go for a champion winch I think, are they any good...Or what about the new Birtpart ones in LRM...As for the bumper I must admit I like the tube ones, they will be a bit lighter than the square type too I think..
Terry
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Good luck with your quest
Let us know which one you go for
8)
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I fancy the square type .I dont know I just dont think the tubular ones suit the boxy shape of a Disco
here is mine with tubular bumper its a first four jobbie i think it looks nice
kool pic PUX!!! i like ur disco :D
u should put that pic in the mod section and see if u can get that post up and going again :D
dan
cheers dude she is not too well at the mo after i got hit by a 17tonner :roll: :roll: :roll: which thread are u referring to matey :D
the gettin some flex in the modded section :D
dan
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food for thought ere is another pic
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very nice :D
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Here's mine.
i liked the Discoparts one for several reasons
-It's sectional, so a doddle to fit (1-bolt on the two chassis brackets(which incorperate High lift points+recovery eyes....2-bolt on the winch tray.....3-bolt on the tubular bars.....Hey presto!
-If you need to work on the front end the bars unbolt in 60 secs
-Should you bend the bars(or any other bit, you can replace the damaged part(eg£70 for the bars)
-The approach angle is far superior to just about any other winch bumper
-It's light as a feather (always a good thing)
And last but not least at £180 (i paid £150 on the last day at Driffield Spring show) it's cheaper than the cheapiest cheap thing :twisted:
Plus I think it looks mean as ***k
But that's just my opinion. :D
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thats a nice disco :D
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Here's mine.
(http://l200.myzen.co.uk/media/albums/userpics/10003/normal_IMGP0704.JPG)
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That discoparts bumper looks a bit wrong imho. I really want a d44 bumper as i think it's the best looking one and you know it will be a quality bit of kit but the price is a bit of a stumbling block £325+vat :shock:
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Perhaps you should try a Scorpion one then? Only £265+vat :shock:
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/imspanners/MVC-594F.jpg)
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I agree with Spanners - Scorpion is the best winch bumper - nice n sleek looking and not 'in ya face' plus you can fit the two swivel recovery eyes.
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Well guys just an update, today I have ordered an new Champion EWX9500lb winch, complete with waterproof solenoid pack, only £311.85 all in after a cheeky discount, I get it tomoz so will let you know what I think of the quality. I know its not a warn or superwinch but my budget wont allow much else, the guy from Winchsolutions seems very helpful and has assured me there is 100% service and warranty back up, plus its covered in the warranty for offroad use, not many do that.
As for the bumper, not sure what one yet, may even make my own.
Terry
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I've seen some posts that allude to Scorpion being an unethical company. Why is that?
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My personal opinion is that when I have spoken to scorpion, they have been very helpful on the phone...But they sem to look at everything from a challenge point of view, in other words when I say what I use the disco for and what stuff would they recommend I use it seems they go a bit overkill or bang on about the top notch gear.
The whole point of this sport is to be able to afford it, and I think someone needs to get across to them that we dont all have a £10,000 budget. I got quoted £848.83 for a winch and bumper, I can get a more powerful winch and just as good bumper for £520, it is only to be used twice a month on the offroader so why do I need anything else.
Does anyone else agree...!
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i would go for a nice guardian tubular winch bumper, fully loaded with all the bitz you like for under £200.
we have several mud club members as customers with them.
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i would go for a nice guardian tubular winch bumper, fully loaded with all the bitz you like for under £200.
we have several mud club members as customers with them.
Under 200 ? runs off to check the missus eint looking b4 ordering
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I've seen some posts that allude to Scorpion being an unethical company. Why is that?
i'm not going to say too much on here, as i know the forum has rules regarding bitching about people and companies... but, the company you mention has a healthy reputation for non-existant customer service, shoddy springs that sag after a short while, sky-high pricing... and a good line in ripping off smaller companies, copying their designs and passing them off as their own.
there are plenty of other suppliers out there, with fair pricing, good quality gear, good reputations and some ethics...
i'd start with Devon 4x4, Gwyn Lewis 4x4, X-Eng or Mill services.
do search on some of the other forums (LR4x4.com in particular) to get the real story behind Scorpion, then make your own mind up.
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Ok, a little help, please. My 300 Disco is a 5 door, and I am NOT interested in getting into cutting the rear doors. That said, I'm going to do a 2" lift for the purpose of putting on bigger tires to get me a little more ground clearance. So, I've had a look at the handy tire size chart, but need to know it that applies to 5-doors as well. With a 5-door, am I more limited to a "Camel cut"? and if so, what can I fit on then? I'd like to go with 265 75 16's, but will I have to settle for 245 75 16's?
Anybody with any experience in this matter, please let me know.
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Snakelogic,
As far as I know the "Camel Cut" is an angled cut on the rear part of the rear wheel arch. If you think about the way the trailing arm works, the axle pivots about the point where the trailing arms meet the chassis, so the wheels move up AND back in the wheel arch.
Skibum
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Finally fitted the replacement bumper - opted for a D44 non-winch in the end (right at the time of purchase!), for a number of reasons...
- I'd hardly use one
- It's extra weight to cart around during the day-to-day driving
- It's a beacon for theives
- I'd sooner put one on a demountable plate
(http://www.horness.com/discovery/thums/devon_hd_bumper01_thum.jpg) (http://www.horness.com/discovery/images/devon_hd_bumper01.jpg) (http://www.horness.com/discovery/thums/devon_hd_bumper02_thum.jpg) (http://www.horness.com/discovery/images/devon_hd_bumper02.jpg) (http://www.horness.com/discovery/thums/devon_hd_bumper03_thum.jpg) (http://www.horness.com/discovery/images/devon_hd_bumper03.jpg)
Click to enlarge (141Kb)
Very impressed with the quality, and I'm happy with the design which kept things close to the style of the Discovery (not a fan of tubular bumpers). Just the lights to refit now. :wink:
More photo's here (http://www.horness.com/discovery/photos.htm).
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Here's mine
Padia bumper and a cheapo winch
(http://members.mud-club.com/galleryimages/01a4771e5139632684cb88102fdd0168.jpg)
(http://members.mud-club.com/galleryimages/a8e527b903dcaf686ae601e69a433ead.jpg)
wizard :twisted:
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Wizard, how does your number plate attach (detach)?
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I bought the paida one with a champion winch - I am very happy with it!
Looks nice and is very robust (ask the Honda Accord drive who drove in to it and didnt even scratch the coating!)
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I have screwed two spring clips on the back.
similar to these
(http://www.springmasters.com/sp/images/open-spring-clip.jpg)
they are about £2 from B&Q
Regards
wizard :twisted:
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I have screwed two spring clips on the back.
and they clip to the rollers? Typical, I haven't got a roller fairlead as I've got plasma rope :roll:
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Yep they are spaced to clip onto the rollers, a bit of a hassle if you have plasma rope !!
wizard :twisted:
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I know its probably been said, but check the mounting dimensions of the winch and bumper.
A couple of years ago I bought a Ryder Retirever 9000i from a firm in Liverpool, and was enthusiastically informed it was based on the Warn 9000, it would fit any bumper..... to find it didnt even come close......
Took me 6 months to find a company that did make a bumper to fit the Ryder Retriever (which is actually a rebadged Come Up) and got the bumper I needed.
My thanks go out to Phil Gordon at PG Winches in Dorset, by the way they can overhaul most winches be they uk, us or asian..
My other comment is about Scorpion Racing, they are like most companies on the planet, they have some very very good kit, they have some mediocre kit and they have some not so good kit. Sometimes the customer service is good (when you standing in front of them in the shop!) and sometimes it leaves a bit to be desired!!
My advice is to shop around and buy what you need from the various places...... then stick with the suppliers who give you the best value add. Its not all about who is cheapest sometimes!!
My rear bumper and detachable tow bar from Scorpion is fantastic quality, well made and fits like a glove and looks the dogs, but they sent the wrong recovery swivel boss, short one for the front bumper not the longer one for the back, forget to include the locking pin for the drop plate and took 5 weeks to deliver something that was supposedly in stock.......they fixed it in two days by sending the correct parts. Right 1st time would have been nice but sorted eventually, nuff said.
Those spring clips are bloody handy for clipping your maglite in the car too..... wrap some electrical tape round the ally body to protect it and off you go!!
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i think that the clips are an ace idea for number plates on winch bumpers, i am always getting asked 'where do i put my numberplate?', well now i will have a decent answer for em.
thanks