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Vehicle & Technical => Defender => Topic started by: dew1911 on July 15, 2006, 16:38:19
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Just wondering if anyone has fitted a Kill Switch to a 90/110 and how easy it was.
What I was basically thinking was a simple flick switch that could be hidden in the LR somewhere that if we parked anywhere we didn't feel safe we could press and it'd preven the engine from starting.
Any suggestions on where would be best to put the switch in the circuit. I was thinking between the battery and the starter motor.
Cheers,
David.
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I have had a switch in the past (fuel solanoid supply is best as that way it will turn but never start, it will also kill the engine) but to be perfectly honest you can't beat an FIA master-switch.
These isolate the battery and will also kill the engine & protect the alternator when operated. I have fitted one to each of my LR's for the best part of 20-years and I wouldn't be without one. Easy enough to fit and cost around £20.
Don't confuse with the cheaper battery isolator switches which do nothing other than isolate the battery, hit this when the engine is running and you won't stop the engine but you will probably damage your alternator.
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So, where do you get one, and how do you wire it in/best place to locate it??
Cheers
Ollie
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So, where do you get one, and how do you wire it in/best place to locate it??
Cheers
Ollie
Seconded.
My idea was to put it in the battery compartment then it couldn't be easily knocked, and it would have made it easier to just stick the switch in the live feed.
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where do you get one
Vehicle Wiring Products (http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.co.uk/VWPweb2000/battisol/battisol.html)
Demon Tweeks (http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductList.asp?cls=MSPORT&grp=MP057&pgrp=M004&tlgrp=M004)
For wiring, not sure but suspect that it'll come with a wiring diagram.
Mine on the racer is through the front face of the passengers seat box. Heather also has some in the same place but they are just isolators for the additional circuits (winch, roof lights, inverter(although that isnt there anymore))
Regards
Wolfie
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You can pick them up from either of the above mentioned or just about any car accessory shop.
For wiring in, they come with a wiring diagram but this seems to cause some people problems though I can't see why.
On my 90 mine is on the seatbox near the tunnel, easy to reach but doesn't mean you have to extend the battery cables. On my old S111 I had it in the the centre of thge dash but that was fitted with harnesses so it had to be very close. Ollie, you are very near me (Cranfield) so you are welcome to pop up and have a look.
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Ther's some info here
http://www.reedx.net/landrover/mods/batterycutoff/index.htm
Colin
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can you get one that can handle winch currents? I think my winch can draw up to 400 amps or something like that - all the ones I've seen are only rated to 250 amps :-(
Matthew
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Yes, they are pretty widely available.
I measured the current my winch was drawing (being an electrician meant I had access to the necessary gear at the time) and while I can't remember the exact figure I am sure it was in excess of 300A. Never had a problem with the switch.
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got any info on where as I'm not having any joy
can only find ones at 250 amps
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:D the place where i work do heavy duty ones not sure on the amp rating i'll check for you and post a reply but they are used for commercial vehicle's so can handle heavy current :D
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thanks for that - any info appreciated.. especially appreciated are test samples ;)
Matt
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:D The one i've got is rated at 500 amps continuous in 12v and 2500amps intermitently it is the same as what volvo used on there trucks and they where up to sixteen litres so a 2.5 land rover should be easy any further details just ask.. Oh and it's about £23.00 +vat lucas used to sell these for about £60.. :lol:
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can you get me one ;) perrrrrleeeeese?
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the best place for a cut switch is not the battery if you ask me ;)
fuel cut solenoid for me. thief gets in, tries to start it numerous times and everyone hears it, sees it, and there you go
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:D Yes i admit the fuel cut off is the best form of cut off the only problem i have had with them is when you forget yourself ,drive off ,run out of fuel then have to get the spanners out and bleed the system and it's normally raining and you had to be somewhere 10 mins ago.. :? by the way if you need one of these you can ring A.B.Butt ltd on 01162513344 they do credit card payment over the phone OH and they do fuel cut off's as well!! Part no. RIP MBS3X oh the rating on the listing is for 24v which is half the 12v hope this helps
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the best place for a cut switch is not the battery if you ask me ;)
fuel cut solenoid for me. thief gets in, tries to start it numerous times and everyone hears it, sees it, and there you go
I was going to post why and how crims get around those sorts fo things but then thought better of it :(
If someone tried to start my car, unless I noticed myself no one else would pay the blindest bit of notice, just like car alarms, people tend to walk the otehr way instead!
Matt
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:D Yes i admit the fuel cut off is the best form of cut off the only problem i have had with them is when you forget yourself ,drive off ,run out of fuel then have to get the spanners out and bleed the system and it's normally raining and you had to be somewhere 10 mins ago.. :? by the way if you need one of these you can ring A.B.Butt ltd on 01162513344 they do credit card payment over the phone OH and they do fuel cut off's as well!! Part no. RIP MBS3X oh the rating on the listing is for 24v which is half the 12v hope this helps
just phoned one and ordered one thanks! :-) the cut off is not really for theft prevention it's for winch issolation.. after an electrical fire on a 30 amp cable, I'm not sure I want to see what happens if 300amp+ cable catches!
If you cut off the rover diesel on the inj pump I thought it cuts out straight away doesn't it?
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Might see about ordering one myself then... It's just around here and Yorkshire there's been A LOT of Landies stolen, and I just want to make mine as b****y as possible to them.
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The best form of stopping a theft is going to be physical immobilisation. An alarm is only useful if you can hear it and come to the rescue or it can put off someone enough to leave the vehicle alone.
How often have you apprehended someone whos car alarm is going off? I've even seen a car with the alarm being going off being driven along the road.. most peoples reaction was to look the other way!
So how to immobilise a vehcile? Rmove the battery - that kills all circuits in the car. Bump starting is a possibility with a diesel but only if the fuel solenoid is open. The alternator will not charge unless it has a current to start it off I seem to remember. The alternator will not be at all happy without a battery anyway.
Remove the steering wheel.. A determined thief who has specifically picked that vehicle will have broght one with them though.
Lock the car.. if parked up at home lock your car to something immovable. ok not particularly practical but worth a thought especially if the car is left about a lot.
Thjat reminds me if I dont get a standard wheel I might see about a removable steering boss.
Matthew
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:( The sad fact is if they want your Landy then they will get it, round our way they have nicked them on trailers and no security system will stop them though i would be tempted to wire the door handle and seats to the mains,with an alarm you are playing for time and hopefully alerting you to the fact.mind you you can get a pager for alerting you when your alarm has gone off! The only other thing is a trakker device! p.s if you are using a master switch for imobilising your vehicle i would advise you put a fuse holder with a 25 amp fuse in it to keep radio codes and alarm/imobilisers working and if any one trys anything i.e starting it just blows the fuse.. hope this helps... :)
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try a search for "dis-car-nect" or combos thereof.
disconnects the battery except for a 5amp line for radio memorys, alarms, central locking etc.
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The only one I considered that would stand a chance of working would be to have one of those pillar things in the drive, but that's a bit extreme.
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I've got an alarm, FIA battery-cutout (cuts the fuel solanoid as well), Clutch Claw and Snap-Off removable steering-wheel but if they want it they will take it. All I can hope is that I have made it awkward for them and they might try one of the (many) other LR's in my village.
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:) I do have another security measure and you can't get past Her when she's in it..
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as has been said, all you can do is put them off trying by making it very awkward... the most sensible alarm to fit is one with tilt sensors, which trigger the alarm if it even remotely moves.
put a smoke bomb on the roof that goes off with the alarm... people will notice that one ;)
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To prevent the trailer thing I've got a snap off steering wheel like Litch, I put the vehicle on full lock then take the wheel off!
Jez
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To prevent the trailer thing I've got a snap off steering wheel like Litch, I put the vehicle on full lock then take the wheel off!
Jez
That's what vicegrips were invented for :twisted:
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Like already said, if they want it they will take it but having no wheel is just one more thing to (try) and make life more difficult for them.
Jez. You haven't got a Snap-Off like me, I've got one like yours (you got yours first).
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Oh alright then Al - I'm the best, again! :lol:
Vice grips!!!!! - Like to see it done! :?
I was thinking of fitting a Mech-lock into the brake line, but apparently it's illegal! Oh well.
With regard to kill switches, I used to run a Camel 110 (genuine) and the kill switch (nice metal one) was in the cubby box, nicely out of the way. I'd love to know who makes those nice gold annodised kill switches
Jez
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:D the one i preiviously mentioned in one of my other posts is that one your on about.. :D