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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: EvilEd on October 03, 2005, 23:10:31
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Just read this....
http://forums.mud-club.com/viewtopic.php?t=12503&highlight=
Stinks of censorship.... it's the ruin of clubs like this... Sort it out moderators... dunno what this guy did, or what he said, but I am already on his side because he has lost the right of free speech.... It's not the way to run a club!
If he's a wally, then everyone will know he's a wally, we don't need Gimps to look after us!
If you see fit to delete this, then delete my account as well! Can't be doing with another site going down the pan for censorship... next you'll start editing posts so that they say what you want them to say, that's what happened on <Name Removed> and is why PajeroUK now exists....
Nuff said.
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Pointless post. Nobody including the Mods can want rid of Mikee but you can't have links to foul language on a site viewed by women and kids. It aint censorship it common sense. I'm the most foul mouthed individual on this forum and my opinions are extreme and if i can be reasonable so can everyone else. There are no holds barred forums out there and they are full of cr*p.
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I saw no foul language or links on the post I linked too... but it's locked and that is heavy handed of the mods... he asked a fair question... if he really wanted an answer, it was up to him. I can understand asking someone, either in PM or publicly to remove a link, or, if it is that offensive, then remove the link and put a note in that it was removed by admins... But locking his post so that others could not reply to his question!!!!
I'd be P'ed if it was me! and I think rightly so.
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I always read Mikes posts and they are generally full of common sense but rules are rules. If you want to go have a shouting match then this is the wrong forum for you. I'm heavily involved in a club site and if you break the rules you are off so i think the moderators are being fair. You can argue about any subject without the need to resort to expletives...thats why there are so many different ways English can be put together.
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As you will notice,ive been put on probation,i have no probs with this although i do feel that others are getting away with more than me,
what i now want to no is every1's opinion on me being on probation,if you think its apt say so,if not say so aswell,
knowing my luck anything i post may been deemd offensive but at the end of the day we are all adults so should be able to have a convo likie adults & not jump up on any soap boxes,
this post may be edited as i think of more to say
Let the flaming comence
mike
Please can you highlight the expletives?
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read it again and also read muddyweb's reply
warnings were given
think about it, if it were that strict we would all receive warnings at some point, i dont know what v8 said or did to cause warnings but it was enough to get them.
its not draconian here at all, i dont even own a bloody 4x4!
how relaxed is that! ;)
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Most expletives are handled by our content filter - but if there is a link out to another site that is not suitable - we must react. This is a family forum - my youngest is 7 and he has access to the site.
Warnings have been issued prior to what has happened. I value Mikee's input - and do not want to see him leave. It's just a case of reading what you cut and paste, or thinking about what you link to - if it is offensive - WARN the clickee ;)
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As you will notice,ive been put on probation,i have no probs with this although i do feel that others are getting away with more than me,
what i now want to no is every1's opinion on me being on probation,if you think its apt say so,if not say so aswell,
knowing my luck anything i post may been deemd offensive but at the end of the day we are all adults so should be able to have a convo likie adults & not jump up on any soap boxes,
this post may be edited as i think of more to say
Let the flaming comence
mike
Please can you highlight the expletives?
He has posted some questionable jokes and a previous post linked to some off language (I have posted some less than OK comments myself) This post is not isolated. I weren't offended but that aint the point, Mikee can defend himself (He seems like a good and knowedgeable bloke) and doesn't need this type of anti-authoritarian junk as it does no good to anyone. Over and out as far as i'm concerned.
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But you've locked this thread for NO REASON, is there a link, or are there expletives? no, so your reasons for this are non existent in this context.
I have not seen or looked for the "Other Threads". my point is that you have locked this particular thread in a heavy handed gesture that is wrong and unsupportable with your terms and conditions. This is vindictive and promotes a bad view of the club. I think you should put your hands up and admit that there is nothing wrong with this particular post and let it run its course. I agree completely with removing bad language and links to dodgy sites, but neither of these apply to this particular thread.. you have "Hung" him for his previous record and not on the merits of that post which is completely in line with your terms and conditions.
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One aspect of setting a public forum up that I certainly wasn't aware of before it was explained to me by another very popular forum that a lot of us also use, is that the people who set the forums up are Legally accountable for it's content.
We now have in this country an imported claims culture, whether accidental or liablous..........thanx to America's example.
Contrary to popular belief, we aren't really living in a Country with a freedom of speech, that's just life.
Just think of the implications and the work involved in moderating/operating this free website facility. Us, the users can choose when we feel like participating but Tim and his crew have an obliglation to constantly forfill. It's a difficult job to do and as the old saying goes, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
I don't know Mikey that well but he contributes a lot to this forum but that doesn't mean he can forget the rules which we all have to operate by. We all have to use our common sense and show curtious respect, it's only fair.
This is a family site and so this naturally has to be taken into account when judging the text typed or linked content.
I'm not taking sides and I haven't had a chance to speak to Mikey on MSN to get his version of events but I just wanted to share my thoughts on the subject.
Kindest Regards, Gary
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But you've locked this thread for NO REASON, is there a link, or are there expletives? no, so your reasons for this are non existent in this context.
I have not seen or looked for the "Other Threads". my point is that you have locked this particular thread in a heavy handed gesture that is wrong and unsupportable with your terms and conditions. This is vindictive and promotes a bad view of the club. I think you should put your hands up and admit that there is nothing wrong with this particular post and let it run its course. I agree completely with removing bad language and links to dodgy sites, but neither of these apply to this particular thread.. you have "Hung" him for his previous record and not on the merits of that post which is completely in line with your terms and conditions.
It is not as much because of profanity in this post, Ed, but because he is making public a private matter between himself and the moderators.
Don't take me wrong, I personally think we are being a bit prudish with the moderation, but it is not for me to decide what can and cannot be posted. That is, ultimately, a matter for the webmaster to decide, and the moderators to enforce.
BTW, Jim-willy. You have caused an incredible ammount of offence between the radical feminists in this forum :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Stinks of censorship.... it's the ruin of clubs like this... Sort it out moderators... dunno what this guy did, or what he said, but I am already on his side because he has lost the right of free speech.... It's not the way to run a club!
No, you don't know what he did... nor am I going to make a public issue of it.
He has not lost his right to free speech... he still has a forum account and is still posting helpful and useful content
If we had wanted to exercise our 'draconian cencosrship', we would have just deleted the post... we didn't.
If he's a wally, then everyone will know he's a wally, we don't need Gimps to look after us!
You may not need someone to look after you, but as has been stated, there are more age groups and types of people who use this site than the over 18, un-offendable male... and we have a responsibility to 'look after' some of those people.
If you see fit to delete this, then delete my account as well! Can't be doing with another site going down the pan for censorship... next you'll start editing posts so that they say what you want them to say, that's what happened on POKUC and is why PajeroUK now exists
The moderating team on Mud-Club does, I believe, an excellent job. They have a very straighforward set of guidlines which disallow obscenity and legally questionable material, they also must take into account specific issues from other members who find posted content offensive. This is by no means an easy job, and I applaud and support them wholheartedly in the work they do. If you want to see a forum go down the pan very quickly, take away the hard work the moderating team carries out, or take away their powers to bring to book people who choose not to respect their requests.
I will re-state what I originally stated. Mike's contribution to the forum is valuable and welcomed. If he continues to post within the forum guidelines then we very much want him to stay a part of the club, and he will be taken off probation in the near future.
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Different target audience. I am happy with the moderation that does occur.
I have been asked to stop something once and I was happy to oblige as the request 'fitted in'.
On another board I had a thread deleted, no warnings just gone as is the habit of that board. I dont go there much.
On the other extream is ORRPA (moderators feel free to delete the name if you want). Anything seems to go and it is simply not my cup of tea. Others love it it and I can see why, it has its place but I dont feel comfortable there.
The plus side is that I can read the M/C forum at work (if I get a chance). I cant get onto the less family orientated sites :shock:
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we all agreed to the terms of registration when we joined this forum.
if you want to read them, follow the register link at the top of the page.
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Got to agree with some of the comments later on here.
We've all agreed to abide by a particular code of conduct. Go beyond it and the Mods will have a duty to do something.
Thats life. Many, many folk have over stepped the mark and most have just said 'okay, live and learn'.
Mud-Club is a moderated forum - and all the better for it. Other forums are less moderated and get far, far more trouble and flaming than we do. And personally, I'm glad we don't allow adult postings, anti-semitism, homophobia, nationalism and whole host of other social scourges to have 'free speech' on this forum. THAT is what makes Mud-Club what it is. Fun, friendly, free, respectfull. See how I added that last bit in - I'm good, me!
It's a bit like going to the pub. Some pubs cater for a quiet few beers and amusing banter. They sell pork scratching and probably have a doms team. Other pubs are dead quiet during the week but come alive on the weekend as people swill as much affordable lager as possible before hitting:
a) a night club
b) the floor in a drunken stupor, or
c) some lad what wa looking at your lass funny, like.
Now, as a responsible parent, which pub would take your kids into?
As Mod, I feel we have a duty to keep it fun and friendly. Can't blame us for that really, can you? :wink:
cheers
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Eeyore
Mud-Club: serving the 4x4 community to over two years.
ROAR
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Hold on, I am being flamed here for saying he should be allowed to post rude and profanity ridden posts... I have never said that... and support the moderators in that role 100%. what I don't support is the censorship of free speech. He made a post that had no profanity, did not link to another site where the mods had no control, and asked a simple question.
And a Mod Locked it... If he wants to bring something out in public, then let him, as I understand it you have nothing to hide as you did it for a very good reason. Or have you something to hide?
"He has not lost his right to free speech... "
Oh, so this is the Iraqi forum now....? (Or the labour party conference)
Maybe the new MudClub motto should be "Say what you want, so long as we agree with it" ??? That is the way the <Name Removed> has gone and their membership is leaving in droves. I don't want to see MudClub go the same way...
Mod posts that have bad language. Mod posts that link to dodgy sites.. But don't mod posts for personal preference which is what happened here!
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When Mike's account was put on probation, a PM was sent to him explaining the reasons why. It also explained how he should appeal against that decision if he so wished.
The post was not locked because of its content, it was locked to prevent it being hijacked and turning into a devisive, destructive thread.
To quote from Mike's post : "what i now want to no is every1's opinion on me being on probation,if you think its apt say so,if not say so aswell,"
The decision to put an account on probation is not taken lightly, it is not done glibly and it is not taken by any one person. There is no way that a poll on whether it is "apt" could be useful or accurate without all the facts, and to publish that would have been, in my view, counter-productive and would have done nothing more than stir up bad feeling.
Ironically... if we'd been the evil censors some would make us out to be, we would have just deleted it, and this entire conversation would never have even started... hardly the actions of people who don't like debate.
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The post was not locked because of its content, it was locked to prevent it being hijacked and turning into a devisive, destructive thread.
But in doing so, you have decided to censor free speech. That is a right everyone is entitled to, and it is also a right that you cannot win the arguement against.
Unless the Mods have something to hide, then you should unlock that post.
I would suggest other members back me on this, otherwise you will never be able to make an informed decision based on the information held on this site! If you are only seeing what you are "Meant to see" then you are being treated like numbers rather than members!
How many soldiers died in the 1st and 2nd world wars to keep your right to free speech? And you enjoy that right by running this forum. Do you really think you have the right to take someones away?? no, I don't think so!
Why is it so hard for you guys to admit you were heavy handed and sort this out?
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You seem to speaking very freely, and nobody is stopping you.
Try as you might, you will struggle to turn this into an argument that we are stifling people's ability to express an opinion. That thread was locked for specific reasons.
You are perfectly entitled to your view that this was a heavy handed approach, just as entitled as I am to view that it wasn't.
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How many soldiers died in the 1st and 2nd world wars to keep your right to free speech?
Oh for goodness sake, grow up.
Do you really think you have the right to take someones away?? no, I don't think so!
On this forum, actually they do. It's their backsides on the line if ever anything went legal, not yours.
Just accept their decisions (and reasons behind them) and get on with it. Please!!
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"He has not lost his right to free speech... "
Oh, so this is the Iraqi forum now....? (Or the labour party conference)
Oh dear. :roll:
In the UK there is NO RIGHT of free speech - there never has been.
And if I'm honest the kinds of attitudes expressed when moderation has to raise its head are frankly dissapointing. A decison was made. It may contested, but why do it publicly where current outbursts are doing the discussion no favours?
I don't want a flame war, I don't want insults and even conflict makes me sick, but folk are insisting on using very volatile language and attitudes. Hostility is not a good look.
I fully support the actions of those involved within this moderation issue.
Shame others cannot
cheers
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Eeyore
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How many soldiers died in the 1st and 2nd world wars to keep your right to free speech?
Oh for goodness sake, grow up.
Grow up? Maybe you should visit some of the coutries where they do not have free speech? This I actually find quote offensive!
Do you really think you have the right to take someones away?? no, I don't think so!
On this forum, actually they do. It's their backsides on the line if ever anything went legal, not yours.
Just accept their decisions (and reasons behind them) and get on with it. Please!!
Okay, I'll tell you about <Name Removed> where they started off like this, then moved on to editing posts that they did not like, and even posting modified comments by people in an effort to make them look bad.
You all enjoy the right to offroad, and no-one wants to see that taken away... but you are happy for the mods to take away members rights just like that and without a fight... Maybe the government should just close all byways to motorised transport, and say "Tuff Doo Dahs" to anyone that opposes them....
Pretty hypocritical!
I'll fight for what I believe in.... That includes the use of "Green Lanes" and the right to free speech.
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How many soldiers died in the 1st and 2nd world wars to keep your right to free speech?
Oh for goodness sake, grow up.
Do you really think you have the right to take someones away?? no, I don't think so!
On this forum, actually they do. It's their backsides on the line if ever anything went legal, not yours.
Just accept their decisions (and reasons behind them) and get on with it. Please!!
Well said Simon. If the sh*t hits the fan it is the people who run the site that will be hit!!!
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But he never put anything Illegal on that post...!
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The post was not locked because of its content, it was locked to prevent it being hijacked and turning into a devisive, destructive thread.
To quote from Mike's post : "what i now want to no is every1's opinion on me being on probation,if you think its apt say so,if not say so aswell,"
I don't know what he did (and don't want too), I don't get offended by bad language (in moderation), and would have definately voted for a 'STAY' as I suspect most others would.
With a huge vote for a stay this would put pressure on the moderators to restore his 'status' sooner (I'm sure it will come back with time), and this would then make a mokery of the system.
Just imagine if a car theif was put on probation after their offense, if they raised a petition of enough names - should we let them off?
He has been 'downgraded' RATHER THAN THROWN OUT for posting offensive material which is against Mud-Club rules, if he doesn't feel that this is correct or justified I gather he can communicate with the moderators via PM or email etc.
He knows what he has done, and so do the moderators, WE DON'T, lets just hope that this all sorts itself out soon, AND STOP BICKERING.
AREN'T WE HERE TO TALK ABOUT MUD?
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How many soldiers died in the 1st and 2nd world wars to keep your right to free speech? And you enjoy that right by running this forum. Do you really think you have the right to take someones away?? no, I don't think so!
Several million in answer to your question, some of them members of my immediate family on both sides, and somehow I don't think that locking a thread on a forum is quite as draconian as attempting to take over the planet, nor do I see that mikee being asked politely to discuss it with the admins will lead to the death of several million people, perhaps I am being nieve.
Secondly "and you enjoy that right by running this forum". No, we don't. By running this forum we are legally resposible for not only our own views but the views of all members and the content of the forum itself. If someone were to take specific legal objection then we would be quite viciously stamped upon.
Thirdly "Do you really think you have the right to take someones away??".. No, we don't which is probably a good reason why we haven't done so. Mikee is the first so far to have been put on probation, and I genuinely hope that he continues to post according to the guidelines which we are all bound to. If he does, his probation status will be removed and he will be restored to his full and proper rank. The question of how we are removing his right to free speech is debatable, since he has exactly the same rights and privilidges to post as he did before.
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Blimey, what a debate! This is MC debates as good as they come!
At the end of the day this thread alone has been left untouched showing the level of debate that the MC can generate. Be it issues of what engine oil to use to the likes of suspension of as member the MC is usually a very free and open forum.
Lets face it, all of us Im sure have at least oen post "moderated" as we all get a bit slack onec in a while. The moderators dont get paid they do this for the love of the club. Im chairman of the Aylesbury LR fanatics club and have been in this situation on countless times. Trying to please everyone is a total nightmare and not a situation that anyone wants to be in.
Mikee is a very popular member, his scotish personality and enthusisam for the green oval and all things 4x4 is wildly addictive. He doesnt want to leave, the MC members (like me) dont want him to leave BUT the moderators dont want him to leave either. Wether putting him on probabtion is the ideal way to deal with this is right or wrong is to acerayin extent now in the past. Mikees posts last night were full of knowledge, laughter and Mikee at his best with no swearing, abuse of moderators etc so surely that must state something.
If Mikee wanted an argument then he would of had one by now and I know hes reading all this with great interest as Im sure we all are too.
We have all learnt something from this and we are all in agrement that this is soemthing we dont want to see happen again. Mikee will be back, thats clear from his postings last night (very calm and cool, even for a firey scot like "leadboots"!!!) so surely the MC on the mend again.
The post that was deleted from Mikee can be seen as "loss of free speech" but then it can also be seen potential to upset people and create an argument. Mikee didnt kick off so the rest of us shoudl not too. This thread has proved we can all have a dam good debate about this.
Ive no doubt Mikee will be back, some of us are placid as a peach, others a firey as a Defender 90 on emmerdale which is what makes the MC so well balanced.
Its a bit of mess but its getting sorted Im sure but both moderators and members and Mikee himself.
And anyway, he cant go as he's promised me a weekend in Scotland so he wont upset anyone as I'll be well gutted :wink:
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You all enjoy the right to offroad, and no-one wants to see that taken away... but you are happy for the mods to take away members rights just like that and without a fight... Maybe the government should just close all byways to motorised transport, and say "Tuff Doo Dahs" to anyone that opposes them....
We all want to offroad, and we all agree to follow the GLASS code of conduct, and in posting we all agree to follow the Mud-Club code of conduct.
If you here of lunatics on greenlanes they are the ones the anti's are complaining about, and they are the ones risking getting lanes shut down, do we not want to stop them risking ruining our access?
Where is the difference?
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Well said Landyman... but this was never about the post that was deleted...
I'm glad he's stayed, even though I have no idea who he is and despite the fact he's a "Green Oval Lover" :)
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Ash,
I agree with everything you said there, except....
The post that was deleted from Mikee can be seen as "loss of free speech" but then it can also be seen potential to upset people and create an argument. Mikee didnt kick off so the rest of us shoudl not too.
The post wasn't deleted... as I said earlier if it had been, this whole thread would never have happened. It was just locked.
And once again I say... if this thread isn't free speech, then I don't know what is !
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But he never put anything Illegal on that post...!
But that's the point, he didn't have to.
You only need one disgruntled member who finds their child accessing dodgy content that was linked through a Mud Club post and you have a complaint on your hands. Depending on how dodgy that content is and the feelings of that parent it could go further.
I for one am glad that this kind of moderation takes place and, like Eeyore and others, applaud their efforts.
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The post that was deleted from Mikee can be seen as "loss of free speech" but then it can also be seen potential to upset people and create an argument. Mikee didnt kick off so the rest of us shoudl not too. This thread has proved we can all have a dam good debate about this.
Just to point out, the post wasn't deleted, it can still be seen.. :)
Ironically we're being accused of heavy handedness and going the way that many a forum and club has gone before. However, locking a thread is by no means the same as deleting it. The only case where a post is ever edited is where it's content is deemed to be sufficiently offensive to remove particular words etc. Most of this is done automatically.
If a post *is* offensive, or is complained about and there isn't a simple way of converting the language contained within to something which won't offence then it may be deleted. This is the only case under which a moderator has the right to delete a post, and even then it is sufficiently tricky to make them think long and hard about doing so.
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I think Landyman 1978 is talking about the 'offensive' threads which (I assume) have been removed, rather than the 'poll' for him staying/going.
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I think Landyman 1978 is talking about the 'offensive' threads which (I assume) have been removed, rather than the 'poll' for him staying/going.
Well, I wasn't having a go anyhow. Merely pointing out that if at all possible the posts are left as is, only in some cases are they automatically edited to tone the swearing down, although the automated system is a bit thick really so occasionally it needs someone else to do it.
As for editing people's posts to make them sound bad, what does that say about the opinions of the moderators? I do find that mildly offensive as it's blatently accusing me (and friends / colleagues / people I have met) of doing things which I consider deeply uncivilised and amoral. Still, different people have different opinions I suppose.
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So far, the only reason that has been listed for the post being locked is that it could get
it was locked to prevent it being hijacked and turning into a devisive, destructive thread.
Surely now that reason is gone....! The weird bit is that the destructiveness was caused by the locking and not the thread itself ?
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As for editing people's posts to make them sound bad, what does that say about the opinions of the moderators? I do find that mildly offensive as it's blatently accusing me (and friends / colleagues / people I have met) of doing things which I consider deeply uncivilised and amoral. Still, different people have different opinions I suppose.
I said that is how it ended up on <Name Removed>, This is how it started!Edit: - no offence was intended
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So, let me get this straight.
The only thing you are now complaining about is that we haven't explained the detail of the reasons for locking that thread ?
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Or was it :)
Sadly we have no way of knowing whether the posts would have invited open criticism and descended into anarchy had it not been locked, that's the nature of time I suppose. Although, provided certain dimensional theories are actually accurate then there is somewhere an alternative version of you and me debating why the thread wasn't locked...
Oooh.. Metaphysics
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Or was it :)
Sadly we have no way of knowing whether the posts would have invited open criticism and descended into anarchy had it not been locked, that's the nature of time I suppose. Although, provided certain dimensional theories are actually accurate then there is somewhere an alternative version of you and me debating why the thread wasn't locked...
Oooh.. Metaphysics
Oh please... not at 10:40am on a Tuesday... (Or any other day for that matter :))
Hope that "Other Me" also got to "Meet" Britney too :)
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So, let me get this straight.
The only thing you are now complaining about is that we haven't explained the detail of the reasons for locking that thread ?
No, i am complaining that the thread was locked when it contained nothing offensive. If it had turned offencive and was subsiquently locked. I would have no complaint... You have pre-empted the problem which I think is stepping over the line.
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Your objections are noted.
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Ash,
I agree with everything you said there, except....
The post that was deleted from Mikee can be seen as "loss of free speech" but then it can also be seen potential to upset people and create an argument. Mikee didnt kick off so the rest of us shoudl not too.
The post wasn't deleted... as I said earlier if it had been, this whole thread would never have happened. It was just locked.
And once again I say... if this thread isn't free speech, then I don't know what is !
Whoops, sorry Tim! Must of is-read it!! :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
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Your objections are noted.
As I said, the MC is still a baby really, only a few years old and all we can do from this is learn :D
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Your objections are noted.
Yeah, I learned that way of telling people to "go away in no uncertain terms" too!
Well, I guess I am the "Nasty" guy here.... Tis weird that you guys complain about how the country is run, then run the site in the same manner... Me, I'll leave this country in ~ 7-8 years time because I stand by what I say, I'll use my right to free speech and my right to walk away if I disagree with it....
It'll be a pity to see Higher tax on 4x4s, no greenlanes and all Pay'n'Play sites shut down... The congestion charge has already grown because of apathy. But if no-one stand up and says "This is not right" then it'll all happen :(
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Just hope the government doesn't turn round and say "Your objections have been noted"
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Ed,
On a side note... let me put something to you that is sort-of related to your objections.
Within this thread, you have made written allegations against the people who run the POCUK forums. Now, in the event that they decide those allegations are libellous they will come to us and request that we remove the relevant posts, or provide records of the posts, etc. etc.
Every post that is made on the site has the potential to cause problems for the site administrators and for the moderators... that is a hassle which the moderators choose to take on for the benefit of the club.
In some cases, we would have to pull the entire thread so that the club doesn't get drawn in between third parties, in other cases, we may have to remove posts or parts thereof.
Whilst I know this isn't directly related to the point you are making, you need to understand that the moderating team have to do what they feel is in the best interests of the club. This does NOT include editing people's posts to change their meaning, and it doesn't include random or personal actions.
There is no conspiracy, there is as little censorship as is possible and there is certainly no hidden agenda.
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If any of my posts cause concern, then I will edit them and remove any material that could be contrude as offensive...
As a Member I believe that I should not put the club in that position and I'll change my posts now. But if there is nothing wrong with my posts, then I would not expect them to be locked / edited.
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Yeah, I learned that way of telling people to "go away in no uncertain terms" too!
Well, I guess I am the "Nasty" guy here.... Tis weird that you guys complain about how the country is run, then run the site in the same manner... Me, I'll leave this country in ~ 7-8 years time because I stand by what I say, I'll use my right to free speech and my right to walk away if I disagree with it....
It'll be a pity to see Higher tax on 4x4s, no greenlanes and all Pay'n'Play sites shut down... The congestion charge has already grown because of apathy. But if no-one stand up and says "This is not right" then it'll all happen :(
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Just hope the government doesn't turn round and say "Your objections have been noted"
It's not a case of telling you to go away... just that there isn't much more to say on the subject. I get the feeling that the only way you would be happy is if we unlocked the original thread. To be honest, I'm not sure what that would achieve, everyone has already said that they want Mike to stay in the club, and there has certainly be plenty of discussion about the issues here.
You have an absolute right to stand up and say that you don't think it's right... and you have exercised that right. In this case, it would seem that not everyone agrees with your view. I don't think you are the 'nasty guy' for doing so... I've done it plenty of times myself.
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I have removed any names from my entries on the thread, the only existance now is on Page 1 where it is in the subject on MuddyWebs post and page 3 where MuddyWeb has quoted me.
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On one hand I think Mike should stay, on the other I thing Moderation is ESSENTIAL.
Can't we call it a draw and move on?
'Probation' to me suggests that this is temporary, with good behaviour he will be back, lets just sit back and wait......
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I have also had a post " pulled ,dropped" call it what you like,YOUR right it is a shame that you cant stand up and be counted ,but thats life , I support you, but also understand the web s decision , A real Sh***er I know, not everybody in any disscusion is going tobe happy ,especialy if they dont get there own way...................when you leave this country if you are the last one out.....................turn the light off ol chap.......
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Well, just to stick my oar in...
I was also surprised that the thread was locked - not at first, but then when I thought about it, I could see that some people might not like it. So I agree there was room for controversy there.
However, the biggest threat to the survival of mud-club won't be the odd member getting narked here and there - it'll be when the moderators think, why should we put up with this abuse, and decide to stop wasting their time and go and do something more rewarding instead.
I once had a post moderated out for irrelevance (it certainly wasn't abusive / offensive so that's the only reason I can think of). It mildly irked me, but I thought I'd rather put up with it and accept that occasionally things might happen which I'm not keen on, than make a big fuss and irritate people.
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Listen to yourselves! Christ you all sound like MP's debating.
Grow up everyone, if you dont want your kids to see or read anything they shouldnt, get some parental controlls on your PC! SORTED!
And as for MC in general yes I agree the site admin about having to be careful about what goes up on the site and they do a good job, but at the cost of getting a reputation of being a PC club. I have noticed other forums mention MC becoming to PC, and if you look at MC a year ago it wasnt that bad as far as PC goes.
So lets call a spade a spade here MC is getting to PC, no has now become PC, and you wonder why its gets quiet somtimes? Why are MC members flocking to other clubs, Ooooo go figure!
And god forgive anyone who says anything bad about landys, especialy if your not an owner, they will hang you for it or send you to Covenrty in most cases I see.
So dont give us "Oooo your bad cause you told a naughty joke, or Noooooo you cant link to that image as some ladies/children/cats/dogs or anyone else may get upset, or my 5yr old might be offended! And we cant mention xmas as it will upset our muslim bros, and all that other ridicules PC stuff that sadly has now woven itself into MC, cause is all rubbish!
Get back into the real world guys, isnt this is a club for mud, not for whining and winging on about saying somthing rude! :shock:
We are all meant to be adults here, and look at us throwing our toys about!
And for gods sake get some parental controll on your puters, or get some parental controls on your kids! :D
Whats the betting Im gonna get a slapped wrist for speaking my mind! :D
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We are all meant to be adults here, and look at us throwing our toys about!
No we're not, that's the point entirely! It's supposed to be a family club. If you want a club aimed at over-18s, there are plenty of others - nobody will be upset or annoyed if you leave.
Whats the betting Im gonna get a slapped wrist for speaking my mind! :D
No, but you've just been guilty of doing exactly what you were complaining about, moaning and whingeing! :wink:
I also think you're overstating the PC thing a bit here. I don't remember any thread saying we can't talk about Christmas in case we upset Muslims. :?
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Whats the betting Im gonna get a slapped wrist for speaking my mind! :D
Well, you clearly have missed a lot of the point of this thread if you think that... it has been nothing *but* people speaking their minds.
I think issues of being 'PC' are unrelated to this particular subject, but it is an interesting subject anyway.
You speak about being PC as if it is something inherantly evil. Whilst I don't agree with some of the over-compensation that goes on, especially in the tabloid press, I also believe that there is nothing wrong with having a bit of respect for other people's beliefs and convictions. If something I say is personally offensive or incites negative feelings in others, then I have to take that on board and possibly temper some of the things I say.
I've never been one for using racial stereotypes, for using slang terms for gay people, or people with different backgrounds to me... because I don't think it is necessary or helpful... does that make me "too PC"... well, I don't think so.
Respect is the key issue in what people have chosen to call 'PC'.. and I'll campaign for that.
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AGREED AGREED AGREED...................but are you prepared to underwrite MC, for any legal action brought against them ?..............
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I'm not reading this thread any more.
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ENOUGH ALREADY!
This started as a heated but controlable debate now it's just getting personally insulting.
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:-k I don't post here very often my other half is better at that than I am, so I'm not that confident posting now especially on this particular thread BUT I'm going to.
Right, I've typed out several things and deleted them to start again, can't seem to word it right so I'm going for the easy option.....
If you can't think of something nice to say, then maybe it's best not to say anything at all, or if you really have to get it off your chest then maybe do it in private or via email?
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Isn't it funny how all clubs and forums go through this phase of acrimony... the shame is that people end up leaving because they don't like the confrontation, and it's usually the non-confrontational people who leave.
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[Edit] This was written as a reply to trooper, guess it took too long to write :) [/edit]
In fairness, I have given far more than I've got when ribbing the Lardy fratternity :)
So, shall we move onto parenting skills now :) I carefully avoided adding that as it was going to only confuse the issue more... but as that seems to be over with, it'd make a good discussion :)
Personally, the Kids only use the computer if one of us is in the room with them or generally around. I have filters setup on the firewall for all the words I can think of (It's a long list) including "CHAT". I also have content filtering turned on on the Laptops / PCs but most sites do not setup a content rating... If they want to take a laptop up to their room, then they leave the wireless card downstairs (Only mine has an internal card at the moment)
I Also look at the "History" and Temporary Internet files on a fairly regular basis just for piece of mind.
Then they go to school and can go on almost any site they want... :shock:
They are not banned from Chat sites, or internet mail, but we have a control over it so that we can keep an extra close eye on them if they do... Sites like this and Birty's they read over my shoulder... They both know what "Swear Words" are, but they know not to repeat them too! They get to say each swear word once to me so that they can ask what it means. It's amazing how many of these words I used to use with no idea what they meant!! (Yes, I have had to look up some!) It also gives them a knowlege to use when others use those words in front of them. Bearing in mind the oldest turns 15 tomorrow, I have a fair idea that she uses some milder swearing when she is with friends etc. But she also knows not do use it in front of me, and hopefully uses it in context when she does use it!
She has only slipped up once that I can remember and that was when I nearly rolled the Jeep... The Girly went off to the loos and I asked my daughter if she was okay, to which she replied "She was Sh**ing herself", then she went bright red and coy! Which was dealt with by saying "I don't think you should let your mum hear you say it that way!". So far (Touch wood), she's never done it again :D
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Perhaps it's a good enough example of why the other thread was locked (Not deleted.. locked)
The decision to lock it was taken and Mikee (as far as I am aware) didn't complain. So far none of the moderators have been drawn into the reasons behind Mikee's "demotion" mainly because that is betweek Mikee and the moderators/admin.
Suffice to say a lot of thought and discussion went into the decisions.
Perhaps it's time to let this one lie. The decisions were taken with both MC's and Mikee's best interests at heart.
NO one had posts deleted. No one has been kicked out and to be fair to Admin the issue was kept private until Mikee's post.
The admin and mods have slightly more integrity than they are being given credit for in some quarters.
Time to move on methinks.
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I dont post that often on MC these days, but guys, as Cherry Bomb said.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! =;
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Well I actually like this site & forum because there is no/little "rude" or non-PC content on here. If I wanted that then I'd go to other sites.
I was a Mod' on another forum and if a post was edited/deleted then the poster was sent a PM explaining why, it was thought to be the right of the poster to know.
Parental Control is one thing but some people, including myself, view this site while in work and if it starts getting too extream then work will simply add it to the banned list and I wont be able to view it.
I don't want to see Mikee leave the forum, he has a lot of knowledge & experience and has helped me out with information and even went out of his way to get parts for me when I couldn't get them up here. But the site has standards and rules that everyone should stick too.
There, that's my input. Can we get on now please. :D
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Well I see that Ed has a grip on parental controll, maybe a few others should follow suit! :D :lol: :lol: :lol:
The web is full of nastys as we well know, but you cant compare any of that to what goes on here at mudclub! Any members who are afraid of what there kids might see should just follow the instructions in Ed's post he seems to have the idea!
It wasnt that long ago that they were trying to hang BushTucker Man for a link to a joke that was seen as sexist! Probably some bra burner read it and got the hump!
Similar situation here.
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It wasnt that long ago that they were trying to hang BushTucker Man for a link to a joke that was seen as sexist! Probably some bra burner read it and got the hump!
Similar situation here.
Oh, good grief.
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FOUND IT! (http://www.rappid.org.uk/images/homepage/dummy.jpg)
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FOUND IT! (http://www.rappid.org.uk/images/homepage/dummy.jpg)
Took me a few seconds to work it out.....
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Wey Hey this is like the old DOC forum. Oh I miss those days :twisted:
Damian
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I do have to agree with the majority it does need to be watched and action must be taken if it goes on for to long. The site is FREE after all and if I was to over step my mark I would not rant and rave about it. I would use my common sence and be quiet and behave. The Forum Moderators have all the right in the world to do what they wish to the site. They built it and they look after it. Sorry but I think if its free RESPECT it.
No offence.
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I've been onsite all day and missed all this - so I'm just catching up.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't we over-reacting here? Aren't some of the things we are being compared to services you have to pay for?
I know a lot of you don't know who I am, and I know I don't post as often as I should - but check out my membership number. The basic idea for this club was that it was to be for ALL THE FAMILY - I don't want to have have to watch my children like a hawk when they are on mud-club. I have parental controls in place, but they should *NEVER* be invoked from this site.
I can't beleive people are calling us "PC" - although maybe they are confused and confusing PC with *a* PC?
I want Mikee to stay - he's on my MSN list and we do chat. He's posted a few messages that are inappropriate for the site - been warned, and done it again. Therefore he's been PM'd, and this has occurred.
As for the locking of the thread .... it was locked, not deleted. Another forum I used to be on would have moved the thread in it's entirety, checked it, moderated, and *maybe* it would have popped back into view ... *maybe*. There are also forums that take certain liberties.
Mud-Club was created to be "Fun, Friendly and Free". It was created so Maddy, my wife would enjoy a 4x4 forum, and one my kids could read. Don't lose sight of that. And please don't lose sight of the fact that this forum is just a *small* part of mud-club.
Right, I've babbled enough now, I'm going to lie down in a dark room, count to 50, and come back.
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Parental Control is one thing but some people, including myself, view this site while in work and if it starts getting too extream then work will simply add it to the banned list and I wont be able to view it.
Ditto here
Then they go to school and can go on almost any site they want...
Not in my school they dont. If a kid finds a way around the filters then their internet is banned. 2nd offense (after they get access back) results in a letter home to parents including a printout of the page they were viewing (edited for pornography so it can be sent through royal mail).
As to the members blathering on about parental controls and such have you considered that we might WANT our kids to be able to read this forum?
My son (aged 10) LOVES going to mud club bashes and does read some of the posts. Should he be excluded so someone can post smutty pictures or tell offensive jokes? If you want to do that sort of thing then I would suggest you do it on the site I mentioned earlier.
Oh and if you are thinking of making it an over 18 site then you can say goodbye to one member I know of that is only 17 and owns (and drives) 2 landies.
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't we over-reacting here? Aren't some of the things we are being compared to services you have to pay for?
You are right, major over-reaction (I don't see Mike complaining on here).
Right, I've babbled enough now, I'm going to lie down in a dark room, count to 50, and come back.
Hopefully (if you made it to 50) you can come back safe in the knowledge, that I think this is nearly over........
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And another thing err ok :roll:
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i don't know what mikee's done and i don't want to.all i can say is the threads i've read when mikee assisted with problems have been of great help to me along with the people they're aimed at helping,the moderaters have also helped me when i've have problems due to my lack of cumputer skills.the last help was given by datalass,i say given as it was offered and accepted without a thought on my part as i had tried but failed to do what i wanted,what i had done put everything else out of shape.if the help daz gave is just the tip of the help iceberg then i say
MODS CARRY ON DOING YOUR JOB
THANK YOU
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is this thread still going on! come on lads theres better things to be doing :wink: time to put it to bed now
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Well in my books and some of Thomas the Tank Engine...
...its all over when the fat controller speaks!
Case closed then I'd say.
Can we now have more funny stuff please :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Can we now have more funny stuff please :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
thats the spirit :D :D :D :D :D
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Having sat at the back of the class & watched n listened,
I Now feel that this thread should be locked & no more said about it,ive spoken to most of the mods about my probation & also the impact my "jumped in with both feet poll" made,
it would appear that in the spur of the moment i got slightly carried away with my fuming & as the kaiser chiefs said "things were getting a bit lairy 8) " towards the end of this post,
If anyone douts the reasons why this thread was locked,it was at my request as i feel we are all(well most of us) adults & this thread was starting to turn into a bun fight over something silly,
i fully apreciate the work that darren,tim,neil,phill,Eeyore(forgot your name sorry) & all the other moderators do behind the scenes & please can every one remember that this club is FREE,so can we keep it that way by supporting those who put the time & effort into making things happen & also solving n updating as required