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Chat & Social => The Bar - General Chat => Topic started by: littlepow on September 07, 2005, 11:21:59
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Just refilled my fuel tank for the first time in two weeks, and was shocked to see the fuel price for diesel had jumped from 91.9p to 98.9p a litre!
Now there on about fuel blockages next wednesday, some fuel stations are already planning for restrictions on who can by fuel and how much.
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I had better go out and get some before they start all this again! Mind you if i am free i might join them!!
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Now there on about fuel blockages next wednesday
Is it just for Wednesday, or does it start on Wednesday.
i.e. do I need to go and panic buy fuel or simply make sure I don't run out on Wednesday.
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Now there on about fuel blockages next wednesday, some fuel stations are already planning for restrictions on who can by fuel and how much.
:(scared):
Who is? Where have you seen/heard this?
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fuel prices on the Isle of Man are £1.02p for petrol and £1.04 for diesel, you should think yourselves lucky!
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LPG!! :D
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I wouldn't get too smug your cheap LPG days are numbered too just you wait and see :shock: :shock:
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I wouldn't get too smug your cheap LPG days are numbered too just you wait and see :shock: :shock:
LPG started with a low tax as an incentive for people to use it, this tax was frozen for '?' number of years, but this 'freeze' will run out soon, and then there will be a sudden price jump.
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Noticed over the last few days that supermarket forecourts are a lot busier and that people seem to be topping up their tanks with £5 - £10 and not going for the big fill up
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Now there on about fuel blockages next wednesday
Is it just for Wednesday, or does it start on Wednesday.
i.e. do I need to go and panic buy fuel or simply make sure I don't run out on Wednesday.
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my local news, so might just be a bluff, but they were right last time.
also
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4221296.stm
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LPG started with a low tax as an incentive for people to use it, this tax was frozen for '?' number of years, but this 'freeze' will run out soon, and then there will be a sudden price jump.
That's what they did with diesel to a certain extent. Now it's more expensive the petrol :cry:
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that's because it became popular fuel for cars!
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Just filled up with veg oil (duty paid) at a local place (thanks Ed) and am taking a container their tomorrow to get some more :)
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I think that with gas prices they have to give 2-3 yrs notice of duty price increases.
if they havent given this notice then the duty levels remain at the current level for 2-3 yrs.
...i could be wrong of course.
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i'M SORRY BUT WHAT WILL BLOCKADES AT THE REFINERYS ACHIVE?
It's the governments fuel escalator to blame at the moment they charge 47.1p per litre tax!!
We should blockade downing street or better still vote these lying deceitfull b'stards out next time around :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
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I wouldn't get too smug your cheap LPG days are numbered too just you wait and see :shock: :shock:
on what evidence is that comment based-check www.boostlpg.co.uk
old brownie has agreed to give 3yrs notice of duty rise
plus he'd have egg on face as everyone cries about pollution and lpg is super clean and a waste product which otherwise would be dumped causing more pollution
I've ha d a gas truck for 18 months now and have heard these comments fom the day I got it-still paying 36/ltr now.
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I wouldn't get too smug your cheap LPG days are numbered too just you wait and see :shock: :shock:
I wouldn't be too bitter if that's the case! :D :D
The fact is that there is a freeze on the duty on LPG for three years. The government have tried to encourage it's use as a vehicle fuel because of it's green ceredentials but also because it's a fuel we produce ourselves and have huge stockpiles of. There is no reason for the government to incease duty because there still isn't enough users. The last thing they will do is put off people converting to the fuel by dramatically increasing the price. When (if) LPG becomes as popular as 'traditional' fuels, then I'll start to worry. :wink:
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I wouldn't get too smug your cheap LPG days are numbered too just you wait and see :shock: :shock:
I wouldn't be too bitter if that's the case! :D :D
The fact is that there is a freeze on the duty on LPG for three years. The government have tried to encourage it's use as a vehicle fuel because of it's green ceredentials but also because it's a fuel we produce ourselves and have huge stockpiles of. There is no reason for the government to incease duty because there still isn't enough users. The last thing they will do is put off people converting to the fuel by dramatically increasing the price. When (if) LPG becomes as popular as 'traditional' fuels, then I'll start to worry. :wink:
Amen, brother. Here endeth the lesson :wink:
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At the rate of incrase on diesle prices I think I might have to splash out on an lpg conversion, the rate they keep taxing us on fuel it will pay for its self in two weeks :twisted:
hopefully a good long blockade should bring prices down well maybe :)
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hopefully a good long blockade should bring prices down well maybe :)
Like it did last time you mean ? :roll:
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It's already £1.06 in Kegworth Nottingham.
Ed
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Maybe it wont work but it would be nice if something would bring prices down, hmm i wonder? my girl friends dad is a tanker driver.............. :idea: :twisted:
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hmm i wonder? my girl friends dad is a tanker driver.............. :idea: :twisted:
What?
Are you think about bulk supplies & 'home delivery'?? :lol:
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I beleve last time round the tanker drivers went on strike in support of the protester's & that stoped the flow of fuel.
I beleve the govenment's responce was to make it illegal for the tanker driver's to go on strike :cry: problem solved after all we can't have effective protest's can we . Not british is it .
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but the last fuel protests were a royal pain in the backside for me...
The local ambulances and fire services went onto emergencies only because of the potential for fuel shortages and everyone round here was virtually under house arrest because our nearest fuel station is abuot 10 miles away....
And after all that... it proved and achieved absolutely nothing.
The fuel prices have gone up so rapidly just recently because the barrel prices have soared... how is messing up the country in the name of "fair pricing" going to help ? You think OPEC give a damn about whether we blockage a fuel depot on Merseyside ?
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even at a 100percent tax at the pump itwould cost around 40 pence a litre what we are paying is more like340percent tax :shock:
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And after all that... it proved and achieved absolutely nothing.
My point if badley expressed.
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even at a 100percent tax at the pump itwould cost around 40 pence a litre what we are paying is more like340percent tax :shock:
Yes.. and for better or worse, that money goes into the exchequer and pays for other things in the country... it's not perfect by any means.. but the fact remains that if you suddenly loose all that income, you have to find it elsewhere or make a lot of expenditure cuts.... and they will do either, or both.
The only solution is to start again from scratch, but you can't do that in the real world.
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I remember the last protest/blockade... our eldest had gone out and not been seen for about 4 hours - I think he was about 7 or 8 at the time.
ALL the local kids and neighbours were out helping us look for him.
Phoned the police to be told they can't do anything at the moment as all their officers are manning petrol stations.
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even at a 100percent tax at the pump itwould cost around 40 pence a litre what we are paying is more like340percent tax :shock:
Yes.. and for better or worse, that money goes into the exchequer and pays for other things in the country... it's not perfect by any means.. but the fact remains that if you suddenly loose all that income, you have to find it elsewhere or make a lot of expenditure cuts.... and they will do either, or both.
The only solution is to start again from scratch, but you can't do that in the real world.
Agree- maybe we all should all run planes thereby negating the tax issue of fuel :roll:
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I wouldn't be too bitter if that's the case!
Maybe I am bitter :?: it's just that it would be so unlike the government to let something thats growing so fast go for too long without taxing it big time. I do apologise for being negative its just that it seems some times that the whole world is against us enjoying our mode of fun (maybe not this time thougt as you point out) :) :)
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I beleve last time round the tanker drivers went on strike in support of the protester's & that stoped the flow of fuel.
I beleve the govenment's responce was to make it illegal for the tanker driver's to go on strike :cry: problem solved after all we can't have effective protest's can we . Not british is it .
Last time the goverment put the military on standby to drive the tankers with escorts. The theory being to break the blockade and you the escorts to clear the roads for the tankers. :evil:
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The problem is that there is no efficient way at hitting the cause of the problem.
OPEC have larger concerns than whether Britain is happy, since in the grand scheme of things we aren't all that important, ergo they are unlikely to respond to whatever pressure we can exert, especially if we chose to exert it in any form of blockade.
The Oil companies *may* respond to pressure applied in this manner, but their response is likely to either be short lived or proportionately small. they can't realy change the price paid per barrel and whilst they can slash their profits they are at the end of the day answerable to their share holders and unlikely to take "drastic" action.
The Government ultimately, *could* cut tax, but as has been adequately pointed out this country costs a small fortune to run. Since this figure won't change by people lining the streets in protest the additional money will *have* to come from somewhere. So they drop tax on fuel by 5p a litre, they will still manage via an increase in income tax, tax on something else, import duty or something manage to extract that money from the population, since they will have to do that, or cut back services, the later not being considered a vote winner...
Once they've done that, and the price of oil comes back down (which it likely will once the US has recovered from Katrina) they will raise the levy on fuel duty again because it was a "temporary reduction", however they will have a replacement source of income which they are unlikely to relinquish. Ergo, in an effort to save us money they charge us more....
Just my $0.02
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And after all that... it proved and achieved absolutely nothing.
My point if badley expressed.
ermmm......It did acheive something
Mr Brown reduced road fund licence for LGVs on the back of it.
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Gordon Brown,accrues increased revenues as the cost of fuel rises ,he might throw the motorist a few pence,In the lead up to xmas ,tanker drivers and everyone else will be thinking about a steady income to pay for all those goodies ,this early in the govt life the electorate is irelevant.
Result misery for the motorist ,loads of overtime for the police and armed forces,Gods in his heaven ,and we await the successor to the internal combustion engine,which is well overdue.
Have a nice life.
Regards Donn
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4221296.stm
The link from Littlepow said that the blockades would start this morning....
Anybody seen any shortages yet, anywhere only letting you have certain amounts.
Anything at all, anywhere?
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[Anything at all, anywhere?
I bloomin' hope not... I have to get to Peterborough and back this weekend !
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I bloomin' hope not... I have to get to Peterborough and back this weekend !
is that for the landrover show??? 8)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4221296.stm
The link from Littlepow said that the blockades would start this morning....
The group says all UK refineries will be blocked from 0600 BST on 14 September unless price cuts are made.
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I noticed something strange today
The diesel fuel near me is 99.9p a ltr.
The diesel fuel in central London is 94.9p a ltr
Why?
London cheaper than everywhere else???
How does that happen.
Very odd. :?
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I filled the Disco earlier and it cost me 96.9p/lt.
Put £58.00 worth in, which equates to 59.75 lts. :shock: It was never that expensive for my Astra!!!! Although unleaded was more expensive than Diesel!
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Petrol & diesel are now the same price up here, £1.02.9 per litre, as of yesterday! :shock:
As for the fuel blockades/protests, didn't affect us last time cos our fuel comes by boat from Grangemouth! :D
Still looking at converting the Rangie to LPG though. :wink:
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the price of fuel has hit £1 per litre in Blackpool
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Nice to see the convenience of the cash machine inside so they can make sure they get there money !!! :evil:
Shouldn't they start looking at putting a mortgage advisor in there too, 'cos at this rate you'll need one to fill the car up!
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Actually with the way the gov't taxes the oil inductry they could quite happily 'fix' the price of fuel because they make so much tax on the refineries anyway. The cost of fuel tax is far more than 340 percent, it's more like 500 plus.
The problem will not be a short-term one either, it's not just this hurricane, that's just an excuse for their greed, it's the emergence of China and other developing countires as oil-consumers. Now that they have all our manufacturing jobs they want to drive cars! whatever next.
Untill we stop the Ynaks using 5 time the amount of fuel per head that we do in Europe there will be no answer.
As for LPG, it's right that it's a waste product of the gas and oil industries, we have plenty and they want us to use it. It is a clean fuel and LPG cars will be exempt from future polution/congestion charges becasue of it.
In Australia it's far more widely used and still cheap enough to be a worthwhile alternative. To the oil companies it's almost money for old rope!
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Petrol & diesel are now the same price up here, £1.02.9 per litre, as of yesterday! :shock:
Oh well, that price didn't last long! :evil:
Went into Stornoway yesterday and what was on the board at the filling station...................
Unleaded - £1.05.9
Diesel - £1.06.9
That's 5 pence a litre rise in 3 days!! :(bigangry):
Still, got enough in the tank to get me to Inverness next Wednesday so I'll fill up there before heading South to Hull. :?
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this is getting bad
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That's 5 pence a litre rise in 3 days!! :(bigangry):
ours went a bit weird.. one day it was 95.9 unleaded and 99.9 diesel... then the next day it was 102.9 and 104.9 which there was an uproar about, so they took it down to 100.9 and 102.9 the day after... just after i filled up :evil:
either way 7p increase was a bit of a joke! but somehow doubt it will be going down again any more!
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do you think it will drop or just keep on going up how much will we be paying soon .will it be £2 a ltr soon ??????????????
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do you think it will drop or just keep on going up how much will we be paying soon .will it be £2 a ltr soon ??????????????
It depends how much discomfort people are willing to endure in order to make a stand. Last time things were happening and the government were scared, but half the folk you spoke to were moaning cos they had no fuel to get to work or Asda.
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the last time it all kicked off i was in the army in the us so i didnt see what was goingon back home
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the damn government needs to drop the taxes since they are getting about 60% of the cost of fuel.
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but if thay drop it there going to get it else were thats the way ant it ?
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but if thay drop it there going to get it else were thats the way ant it ?
Sounds like you've given up before the battle commences. The government are meant to look after our interests, if enough people stand up and make it clear we are not impressed then they have to take notice. The problem is not enough people are willing to stand up and be counted, they would rather do the British thing of moan like hell and accept whatever is thrown at them. It is a shame cos i think that our opinion is the vast majority. A band in the early 90's had it right called L7 "they aint moral and they aint the majority" AMEN!!!!!!!!!
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have filled my disco up today at 99.9p per litre, in Barrow on Soar near where i work, i have noticed diesel at £1.03 and petrol at £1.05. The guy in the filling station today mentioned that there would be fuel blockades on wednesday too. Like he said tho, its not the tax thats pushed prices up this time!
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Still on 97.9 p/l here at the moment.
They blame the price hike on the storms at the moment, a month or two ago they were blaming it on the workers in the Mexican Gulf for being on strike for the last 2 years because they need a pay rise.
What will the excuse be next week? :roll:
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99.9P in brum,
John
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VEG OIL IS THE WAY
gonna run my 90 on veg so i can go to drumclog next wknd & not spend a fortune on motion lotion
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but if thay drop it there going to get it else were thats the way ant it ?
Sounds like you've given up before the battle commences. The government are meant to look after our interests
Not at all, but as I said earlier... whether you like the way the country is run or not... it costs a certain amount of money to do so... that money comes from taxes. We might all get our way and get a fuel tax cut, but another tax will go up to make up the deficit.
All this angry feeling toward the government is fine and dandy, but they aren't the ones making the fuel price rise at the moment. Yes, they are collecting tax, and theorectically, they could reduce tax and effectively absorb the price increases on our behalf... but that's another issue.
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if there are gonna be blockades on wednesday then Im filling up to the brim. I need to go places.
behind the scenes things are hotting up
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A cheaper alternative?
http://www.petroldirect.com/index.htm
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Every fuel station here in brum has allready got people fiiling up like mad dont think there will be any left by wednesday, just as well i have a 45 gallon drum full.
John.
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panic buying has set in around here to
........here we go again
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just had to queue for 10 minutes to get some diesel. i only wanted £15 so i can get home again tonight. i think from today i am gonna get my bike out and stop using my car.
i might even loose some weight :)
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interesting reading
http://www.fuelprotest.com/index.php?content=faq
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A cheaper alternative?
http://www.petroldirect.com/index.htm
GOOD FOR A LAUGHit brightens up a worrying time
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This worries me, I'm at sea and due home in a week, will I be able to get a hire car or fill my car when I get home?
It's true the cost of fuel is sky high; we really see it on the marine fuels (buying 1650 tones you don't need a high %age to make a difference!)
The thing is here to me that is what a government should do; recognize the public should not have to suffer and cushion the blow using their cut from tax. It's not as if it's a permanent thing just a short term measure to keep the country operating.
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The 110 has 90Lt of LPG and 18 Gallons of petrol. The 90 has a full tank of deasel and I have 25Lt of veg oil (duty paid and I have the reciept to prove it so there Mr Excise man) in reserve. Sorted.
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I was looking to see if there were going to be any fuel protests in Europe this week and found this on the BBC Website. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4242106.stm)
The article is titled " EU governments take fuel action" and makes interesting reading, mainly when you get to the last paragraph!!
Makes you proud to be British........................................NOT!:evil: