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Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: MudRat on September 01, 2007, 18:51:37
Why do i always see the police in Tescos, buying sandwiches, quick poll, to ensure its not just me!
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Jake on September 01, 2007, 19:17:18
We always see them in our garage, buying sandwiches and choccy
 :lol:
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Post by: wrecker on September 01, 2007, 19:17:51
nope but always in the car park eating them :roll:  :?
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Post by: Keri on September 01, 2007, 19:30:22
AShby de la zouch tesco is like a bobby station i havn't been there when there hasn't been police there. Sometimes one police car goes as another one is arriving :D There all there buying there munchies it would seem. But if often thought this must be the safest spot in england LOL
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Post by: littlepow on September 01, 2007, 20:04:53
Use to see them in Norwich Tesco on a night in large groups, doing food shopping!

Suppose they got to eat some time.
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Post by: L90OOK on September 01, 2007, 20:11:01
Quote from: "Jake"
We always see them in our garage, buying sandwiches and choccy
 :lol:


...that sounds like my brother  :roll:
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Post by: MudRat on September 01, 2007, 20:48:48
Buying food on Duty, thats a waste of taxpayers money, no wonder the streets aren't safe, have they never heard of packed lunches!!  :shock:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: hairyasswelder on September 01, 2007, 21:39:32
Alfreton Tesco is directly opposite the Police station  :roll:
So a definite yes, they are regulars  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Boggert on September 01, 2007, 22:25:19
Oh dear god... do I have to answer this?????

Oh there is so much I can say.... I'm.... holding....back.... aaaghhhh :wink:
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Post by: BrumLee on September 01, 2007, 22:59:19
They're there to protect the Savlon  :wink:  :lol:
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Post by: TDi90 on September 02, 2007, 10:29:05
they have to buy their food from somewhere dont they?? ....
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Post by: MudRat on September 02, 2007, 11:13:05
of course, but in full uniform and in cop cars!
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Post by: Keri on September 02, 2007, 11:32:03
Quote from: "TDi90"
they have to buy their food from somewhere dont they?? ....


I don't think anyone saying they shouldn't be at tesco (shouldnt be buying food) or anything i think its just more humour that its not jsut one tesco and why tesco not sainburys or morrisons lol
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: wizard on September 02, 2007, 11:37:39
i saw a copper walking down the road few days ago, he might have been lost though.

wizard :twisted:
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Post by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on September 02, 2007, 11:43:24
As one of the afore mentioned supposed wasters of tax payers money, I would like to set a few things straight.
1) We, contrary to popular belief, are human, and have to eat and drink the same as you do.
2) If food is purchased, we pay for it out of our wages, not from the tax payers purse.
3) It is not uncommon, when on rural sectors, to have a patrol area of 300+ miles, so the only place that may be open is the nearest 24hr shop, unless of course we should break into the nearest KFC or poach our scoff from the nearest field.
4) There are very few Police stations with kitchen/canteen facilities, as they have been closed for varying reasons including Health and Safety, namely we are not qualified to cook our own meals. Their ruling,not mine. I am fully trained to drive at +150mph to catch criminals, deal with armed villains, be social workers to dysfunctional families and nurse maid drunks, but it is too risky for me to boil an egg.
5) I along with numerous other officers, always 'lunch in the office', namely in the car, as we are then out on the street able to respond and not stuck in the Nick getting jumped on by pen wielding civvies and egotistical supervisors.
6) Most 24hr shops tend to attract a higher number than average amount of loonies, drunks, and weirdos at night. Hence patrols are encouraged to attend there as a crime deterrent.
7) In relation to the bit about uniforms and cars, perhaps we should all strip off and go there on unicycles?

Hopefully that will clear up a few things. I along with the vast majority of other Police Officers have a difficult enough job to do dealing with all that Society can come up with.
Perhaps those officers that you have seen have just come back from a messy accident caused by some moron thinking he is the greatest driver in the world, or comforting some old lady that has had her life destroyed by burglars, or facing a knife wielding cretin that thinks he is Napoleon?
Think about what you don't see us doing, before you have a go about what you do see us doing.
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Post by: Evilgoat on September 02, 2007, 12:12:30
When I used to for work Express Bitterne, would get the local lot from the station come in on their way to work to stock the rest room up. Huge pile of random munchies, tea and a LOT of instant coffee :)

I personally have no issues, as LSP said, they are only human and I know I've stopped off to get food on long runs while at work too. Quite often they'd combine it with picking up the previous nights video nasty from our CCTV
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Post by: diggerdog36 on September 02, 2007, 13:00:50
We passed a police car a few days ago parked over the A696 near Newcastle Airport, on a bridge, I swore he was asleep, so I turned round and went back, parked up beside him, sure enough, Bobby was snoozing!!
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Post by: Keri on September 02, 2007, 13:49:17
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
As one of the afore mentioned supposed wasters of tax payers money, I would like to set a few things straight.
1) We, contrary to popular belief, are human, and have to eat and drink the same as you do.
2) If food is purchased, we pay for it out of our wages, not from the tax payers purse.
3) It is not uncommon, when on rural sectors, to have a patrol area of 300+ miles, so the only place that may be open is the nearest 24hr shop, unless of course we should break into the nearest KFC or poach our scoff from the nearest field.
4) There are very few Police stations with kitchen/canteen facilities, as they have been closed for varying reasons including Health and Safety, namely we are not qualified to cook our own meals. Their ruling,not mine. I am fully trained to drive at +150mph to catch criminals, deal with armed villains, be social workers to dysfunctional families and nurse maid drunks, but it is too risky for me to boil an egg.
5) I along with numerous other officers, always 'lunch in the office', namely in the car, as we are then out on the street able to respond and not stuck in the Nick getting jumped on by pen wielding civvies and egotistical supervisors.
6) Most 24hr shops tend to attract a higher number than average amount of loonies, drunks, and weirdos at night. Hence patrols are encouraged to attend there as a crime deterrent.
7) In relation to the bit about uniforms and cars, perhaps we should all strip off and go there on unicycles?

Hopefully that will clear up a few things. I along with the vast majority of other Police Officers have a difficult enough job to do dealing with all that Society can come up with.
Perhaps those officers that you have seen have just come back from a messy accident caused by some moron thinking he is the greatest driver in the world, or comforting some old lady that has had her life destroyed by burglars, or facing a knife wielding cretin that thinks he is Napoleon?
Think about what you don't see us doing, before you have a go about what you do see us doing.



I didn't think anyone had said the police are wasting tax payers money  :?

Like i said above i thought it was jsut more humours fro the why tesco aspect.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: crazymac on September 02, 2007, 14:25:42
I don't think we should go around bobby bashing as such, not that this thread really is, its just what pobs have seen! but the americans are ripe for it :lol:  :lol:
on a recent trip I even saw a "Dunkin Doughnuts" that had a police station in it!!! I kid you not :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :shock:

unfortunately I didn't have my camera at the time
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Post by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on September 02, 2007, 18:14:28
Quote from: "Keri"
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
As one of the afore mentioned supposed wasters of tax payers money, I would like to set a few things straight.
1) We, contrary to popular belief, are human, and have to eat and drink the same as you do.
2) If food is purchased, we pay for it out of our wages, not from the tax payers purse.
3) It is not uncommon, when on rural sectors, to have a patrol area of 300+ miles, so the only place that may be open is the nearest 24hr shop, unless of course we should break into the nearest KFC or poach our scoff from the nearest field.
4) There are very few Police stations with kitchen/canteen facilities, as they have been closed for varying reasons including Health and Safety, namely we are not qualified to cook our own meals. Their ruling,not mine. I am fully trained to drive at +150mph to catch criminals, deal with armed villains, be social workers to dysfunctional families and nurse maid drunks, but it is too risky for me to boil an egg.
5) I along with numerous other officers, always 'lunch in the office', namely in the car, as we are then out on the street able to respond and not stuck in the Nick getting jumped on by pen wielding civvies and egotistical supervisors.
6) Most 24hr shops tend to attract a higher number than average amount of loonies, drunks, and weirdos at night. Hence patrols are encouraged to attend there as a crime deterrent.
7) In relation to the bit about uniforms and cars, perhaps we should all strip off and go there on unicycles?

Hopefully that will clear up a few things. I along with the vast majority of other Police Officers have a difficult enough job to do dealing with all that Society can come up with.
Perhaps those officers that you have seen have just come back from a messy accident caused by some moron thinking he is the greatest driver in the world, or comforting some old lady that has had her life destroyed by burglars, or facing a knife wielding cretin that thinks he is Napoleon?
Think about what you don't see us doing, before you have a go about what you do see us doing.



I didn't think anyone had said the police are wasting tax payers money  :?

Like i said above i thought it was jsut more humours fro the why tesco aspect.



Hi Keri, this is a quote from further up the thread

Buying food on Duty, thats a waste of taxpayers money, no wonder the streets aren't safe, have they never heard of packed lunches

Nuff said
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: L90OOK on September 02, 2007, 18:33:53
LSP...I am with you.
I would take it as a positive that you (police personnel) are 'seen' out in uniform, whether it's buying lunch, having a break or patrolling.  The more you guys & girls are visible the better for all.  I would rather you were on the streets than in doing paperwork  :roll:
My brother spent 7yrs in the Met on armed response, anit terrorism, fast cars, area car, bobby on beat etc & moaned constantly about paperwork & red tape.  He's now Devon 4x4's local copper in North Devon so life's a little quieter now for him...I'm sure he'd move his office into D44's if he had half the chance!! ...now's there's a though...D44 tray backed 110 turned into a fast response vehicle   :twisted:

http://www.devon4x4.com/gallery/photos/110_trayback_build_12/4/e8308b5d4479741db7665039bde4e35f.jpg/
Title: Re: e
Post by: Biodiesel-Bev on September 02, 2007, 20:08:44
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
As one of the afore mentioned supposed wasters of tax payers money, I would like to set a few things straight.
1) We, contrary to popular belief, are human, and have to eat and drink the same as you do.
2) If food is purchased, we pay for it out of our wages, not from the tax payers purse.
3) It is not uncommon, when on rural sectors, to have a patrol area of 300+ miles, so the only place that may be open is the nearest 24hr shop, unless of course we should break into the nearest KFC or poach our scoff from the nearest field.
4) There are very few Police stations with kitchen/canteen facilities, as they have been closed for varying reasons including Health and Safety, namely we are not qualified to cook our own meals. Their ruling,not mine. I am fully trained to drive at +150mph to catch criminals, deal with armed villains, be social workers to dysfunctional families and nurse maid drunks, but it is too risky for me to boil an egg.
5) I along with numerous other officers, always 'lunch in the office', namely in the car, as we are then out on the street able to respond and not stuck in the Nick getting jumped on by pen wielding civvies and egotistical supervisors.
6) Most 24hr shops tend to attract a higher number than average amount of loonies, drunks, and weirdos at night. Hence patrols are encouraged to attend there as a crime deterrent.
7) In relation to the bit about uniforms and cars, perhaps we should all strip off and go there on unicycles?

Hopefully that will clear up a few things. I along with the vast majority of other Police Officers have a difficult enough job to do dealing with all that Society can come up with.
Perhaps those officers that you have seen have just come back from a messy accident caused by some moron thinking he is the greatest driver in the world, or comforting some old lady that has had her life destroyed by burglars, or facing a knife wielding cretin that thinks he is Napoleon?
Think about what you don't see us doing, before you have a go about what you do see us doing.



Well said, M'Lord.     =D>  =D>  =D>
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Boggert on September 02, 2007, 20:55:45
Aggghhh Thanks LSP, I couldn't have said it so well....

The simple fact is when you see a police car you look at it... and the same with an officer in uniform, we tend to stand out like a saw thumb, when you are a the supermarket do you say...

"Look at that CPS lawyer at Tescos again getting his lunch, what a waste of taxpayers money"

Hmmm I think not... :wink:

Just remember we are human and isn’t it better to see a Police officer/PCSO having lunch in public than at the nik where no one can see him or her.
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Post by: hairyasswelder on September 02, 2007, 21:24:49
Well it keeps the scum from hanging round Tesco's . :D  :D
Title: Re: e
Post by: Bush Tucker Man on September 02, 2007, 23:50:50
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"

4) There are very few Police stations with kitchen/canteen facilities, as they have been closed for varying reasons including Health and Safety, namely we are not qualified to cook our own meals. Their ruling,not mine. I am fully trained to drive at +150mph to catch criminals, deal with armed villains, be social workers to dysfunctional families and nurse maid drunks, but it is too risky for me to boil an egg.


Quite surprisingly the NHS deems us to have  sufficient culinary skills to be allowed a Micro-wave & a sandwich-maker :shock:  :shock:
Although the toasters are all (supposed to be) Dualits - the clockwork ones that turn off rather than stay on for as long as the toast (unidentified carbon item) stays in it.

Unlike some of the numptys in the Doctors Mess (quite the literally correct title), who used to have indoor BBQ's if it rained!!!!!!!!!!
And then they'd get upset when the local Fire Brigade turned up & shouted loudly at them, whilst questioning their IQ & parentage





Whenever we get Police Officers in the department, be they interviewing assault/RTI/etc... victims, or with a 'in custody', we always try to make sure they're always looked after (tea & biscuits, etc....)
After all, they're only doing their job, like us & we never know if we'll need them in a rush


Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"

5) I along with numerous other officers, always 'lunch in the office', namely in the car, as we are then out on the street able to respond and not stuck in the Nick getting jumped on by pen wielding civvies and egotistical supervisors

Much like our (& your) parallell collegues in the big white vans with blue-lights (AKA; drunk-mobiles)



Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"

6) Most 24hr shops tend to attract a higher number than average amount of loonies, drunks, and weirdos at night. Hence patrols are encouraged to attend there as a crime deterrent.

Most A&E departments also attract more than their fair share of the said 'special' members of society.


Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"

7) In relation to the bit about uniforms and cars, perhaps we should all strip off and go there on unicycles?

Now you're scaring us.................   ]
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Highlander1 on September 03, 2007, 00:40:27
OK here's my 2 bobs worth get a life and grow up.

 I have had a car at my door for 7 of my 17 years in the plod  that has blue flashy lights and yellow stripes.

My kids leave for school at 8am on a bus they get back at 4pm. After I have gone to work.

I pass them in the car going to work I chose the job so what the [!Expletive Deleted!].

I work 7 days on 2 off. If I buy a sandwich or bag of chips the phone normally goes at that time so I go and deal with what ever leaving the snack in the bin on my way out. [!Expletive Deleted!] happens.


When do I stop for a break well I don't I eat on the run.

I have a 3 hour run to get from one side of my patch to the other. drive 300 odd miles a shift on single track roads.

I get home sometimes at 5 am after starting at 8am the previous morning so [!Expletive Deleted!] right I will sit in a lay-by and shut my eye lids for a few minutes in order to stop killing some other poor [person of questionable parentage] on the road.

Get a [!Expletive Deleted!] life. I get called out any moment of the given day and when my "police cars at home it says he's in go and ask for this or whinge about the neighbours [!Expletive Deleted!] hedge.

I sleep in a [!Expletive Deleted!] chair with my uniform hanging beside it for call outs and haven't touched alcohol in 6 years to be in a position to respond.

So please forgive me for loosing the [!Expletive Deleted!] plot now [throw it] off and let me have 5 minutes rest.

Go join the specials  Oh and by the way the blue black uniform thingy has a presence so when yer shopping in tescos the thieving bar stewards [throw it] off.

Do you have an hours meal break or even 30 minutes well then your a lucky bar Steward. If the bloody car wasn't on the yellow lines then it wouldn't be a response car.

Oh just parking the panda in the multi storey be back in 30 minutes if there's a shout I will try and get back from my lunch early. [!Expletive Deleted!] off.

Rant over my heart bleeds purple [throw it].
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: crazymac on September 03, 2007, 10:11:22
So well put Highlander1, the role of the highland bobby is very unique and often very lonely, so keep it up (P.S. next time I'm passing through to Skye to see my sister can you ignore my speed if I display my mudclub sticker??) :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Thing is its very easy to bobbybash!!

As they are often public figures its when they do ordinary things we see them, as boggert said, I would rather they were visible doing the mundane than hidden away in a canteen eating! I worked for many years in residential social work, we too did not get a lunch break as such, we made food and sat with the kids to eat it, often incidents cropped up so you could not eat at all when on shift but that was just tough..

so yes, often when I go into tesco's there is a bobby in there, great, it means I am less likely to be mugged, have stuff stolen from my car, have my car stolen, or have the prices increase again due to shoplifting!!

so keep up the good work, you have my utmost respect because you get the sht from all sides, damned if you do, damned if you don't by joe public and grief from the bosses cos you've not filled in a pathetic bit of paper that keeps you in the station for an hour!!!
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Post by: Boggert on September 03, 2007, 18:33:35
Quote from: "Highlander1"
OK here's my 2 bobs worth get a life and grow up.

 I have had a car at my door for 7 of my 17 years in the plod  that has blue flashy lights and yellow stripes.

My kids leave for school at 8am on a bus they get back at 4pm. After I have gone to work.

I pass them in the car going to work I chose the job so what the !Expletive Deleted!.

I work 7 days on 2 off. If I buy a sandwich or bag of chips the phone normally goes at that time so I go and deal with what ever leaving the snack in the bin on my way out. !Expletive Deleted! happens.


When do I stop for a break well I don't I eat on the run.

I have a 3 hour run to get from one side of my patch to the other. drive 300 odd miles a shift on single track roads.

I get home sometimes at 5 am after starting at 8am the previous morning so !Expletive Deleted! right I will sit in a lay-by and shut my eye lids for a few minutes in order to stop killing some other poor [person of questionable parentage] on the road.

Get a !Expletive Deleted! life. I get called out any moment of the given day and when my "police cars at home it says he's in go and ask for this or whinge about the neighbours !Expletive Deleted! hedge.

I sleep in a !Expletive Deleted! chair with my uniform hanging beside it for call outs and haven't touched alcohol in 6 years to be in a position to respond.

So please forgive me for loosing the !Expletive Deleted! plot now throw it off and let me have 5 minutes rest.

Go join the specials  Oh and by the way the blue black uniform thingy has a presence so when yer shopping in tescos the thieving bar stewards throw it off.

Do you have an hours meal break or even 30 minutes well then your a lucky bar Steward. If the bloody car wasn't on the yellow lines then it wouldn't be a response car.

Oh just parking the panda in the multi storey be back in 30 minutes if there's a shout I will try and get back from my lunch early. !Expletive Deleted! off.

Rant over my heart bleeds purple throw it.


Crikey I thought my 150 sq miles of beat was big! :shock:

You are right in everything you say, I think people are so quick to criticize what we do.
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Post by: discograham on September 03, 2007, 20:23:48
But image and attitude count for so much, don't you think ?
And the old chestnut of  " just picked up someones brains " or " had to tell someone their child has died" ...well, there's only so much of that "feel sorry for me" bull that I can take...I've done it..it's not nice but get over it...it's part of the job so give over on the sympathy/shock angle will you... coppers these days are not what they used to be.

BUT...
 
They catch some toe-rag, and some shyster gets him off... or some social worker intervenes and the dim judiciary let them off with neary a slap... where is the job satisfaction in that ?

Or they catch someone the wrong skin colour to be prosecuted, lest the screaming lefties emerge from under their stones crying racial predjudice...

Police officers are targets of general hate and blamed for so much, and are used by the ignorant and ineducable as a vent for their inadequacies...

But the police don't help themselves one little bit.

In general they are rude, verbally bullying, and seem to think they can be  intimidating to whomsoever they wish just because they can... and how sarcastic they are... yet the moment you are sarcastic back it's " There's no need to take that tone with me Sir " and the veilled threats of arrest if you keep it up...

No, the police have a cushy little number on the whole... poor job satisfaction maybe, but it's not a hard job and I won't be kidded into believing otherwise... hell, I know enough good friends who are police officers and I KNOW what coppers are like...

Offended anyone enough yet ? No ? Well...let's get to the Tesco bit then shall we... I worked for Tesco for many, many years... the police used to turn up every night at every store I delivered to... sometimes they stayed for half an hour... sometimes more than three hours..and the store policy was let them have what they want free from the canteen...so don't try and tell me they pay... because I know they don't...I sat there with them often enough... sure, if a call came in then off they went...but they should have been out on the streets, doing their job, not flirting with the night staff, which they all seem very good at....

I really believe it's a power thing..."you can't touch me or say anything to me 'cos I'm a copper and will win in the end... 'cos I've got mates with pepper spray and 'cuffs"...

Don't even talk to me about response times.

Blue touch paper lit...  now standing well back... :wink:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Boggert on September 03, 2007, 20:53:45
Quote from: "discograham"
But image and attitude count for so much, don't you think ?
And the old chestnut of  " just picked up someones brains " or " had to tell someone their child has died" ...well, there's only so much of that "feel sorry for me" bull that I can take...I've done it..it's not nice but get over it...it's part of the job so give over on the sympathy/shock angle will you... coppers these days are not what they used to be.

BUT...
 
They catch some toe-rag, and some shyster gets him off... or some social worker intervenes and the dim judiciary let them off with neary a slap... where is the job satisfaction in that ?

Or they catch someone the wrong skin colour to be prosecuted, lest the screaming lefties emerge from under their stones crying racial predjudice...

Police officers are targets of general hate and blamed for so much, and are used by the ignorant and ineducable as a vent for their inadequacies...

But the police don't help themselves one little bit.

In general they are rude, verbally bullying, and seem to think they can be  intimidating to whomsoever they wish just because they can... and how sarcastic they are... yet the moment you are sarcastic back it's " There's no need to take that tone with me Sir " and the veilled threats of arrest if you keep it up...

No, the police have a cushy little number on the whole... poor job satisfaction maybe, but it's not a hard job and I won't be kidded into believing otherwise... hell, I know enough good friends who are police officers and I KNOW what coppers are like...

Offended anyone enough yet ? No ? Well...let's get to the Tesco bit then shall we... I worked for Tesco for many, many years... the police used to turn up every night at every store I delivered to... sometimes they stayed for half an hour... sometimes more than three hours..and the store policy was let them have what they want free from the canteen...so don't try and tell me they pay... because I know they don't...I sat there with them often enough... sure, if a call came in then off they went...but they should have been out on the streets, doing their job, not flirting with the night staff, which they all seem very good at....

I really believe it's a power thing..."you can't touch me or say anything to me 'cos I'm a copper and will win in the end... 'cos I've got mates with pepper spray and 'cuffs"...

Don't even talk to me about response times.

Blue touch paper lit...  now standing well back... :wink:


My problem with what you have said is its a total generalisation of all Police Officers from a bad experience.

The simple fact is there are numpties in every profession it is unfair to tarnish every officer with your views.
Yes I know some crap Police officers I also know some superb ones who I would not hesitate to put my life on the line for.

Now I'm holding back here because this is a public forum and yes what you have said I do find offensive, but hey its a free world and you can have your views.
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Post by: crazymac on September 03, 2007, 21:22:55
Well restrained boggert! I'm not sure I could be, in your position!!

Yes you are entitled to your opinion discograham, but what you have come up with is such a load of generalised drivel!!!!

Yes there are some not so good coppers, but they are far outweighed by the good ones, like there are complete idiots in other jobs, and as usual its the crap ones that get promoted to management!!! and that is where the rot sets in.

If you have a complete idiot as your line manager, who cares more about targets and budgets that fighting for the good of the service then how can you blame the coppers on the streets when they take what time they can? the wage is crap for what the do, and they stand a real risk of being shot or stabbed in this crap society that we find ourselves in. Their families are affected by the job, but still they line up to protect YOU and your way of life.

WITHOUT THE POLICE FORCE, WHERE WOULD WE BE?

Somewhere up sht creek without a paddle :shock:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 03, 2007, 22:41:11
I wholeheartedly accept that I have made a sweeping generalisation, and of course there are some wonderful police officers out there working their hearts out...

BUT...

I can only go by my own experiences...

I have never been arrested or detained in my life...   I have never assaulted anyone, stolen ANYTHING whatsoever, not even as a child...the only time that I have "broken the law" was for a speeding offence, at 3am, doing 47 on a dual carriage way when I should have been doing 40... ( but that's another story )... that was not the way I was brought up... however, I have witnessed all the events that I have mentioned, and they are the norm, not the exception... so where are all these police officers to whom you refer ? I am of good character, chairman of the residents association etc, and have no axe to grind with the police. If I have offended anyone... too bad... you shouldn't be so touchy and easy to offend... People must be allowed to criticise or wrong doings will go unchecked... I tell it as I see it, that's all there is to it... perhaps you should read my post again ... you may notice then that it was not anti police... just somewhat critical of them...
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Highlander1 on September 04, 2007, 04:29:52
Quote from: discograham
But image and attitude count for so much, don't you think ?
And the old chestnut of  " just picked up someones brains " or " had to tell someone their child has died" ...well, there's only so much of that "feel sorry for me" bull that I can take...I've done it..it's not nice but get over it...it's part of the job so give over on the sympathy/shock angle will you... coppers these days are not what they used to be.

BUT...
 
They catch some toe-rag, and some shyster gets him off... or some social worker intervenes and the dim judiciary let them off with neary a slap... where is the job satisfaction in that ?

Hey If you allow someone a meal break at tescos for 3 hours and don't complain whose the fool.

As for dealing with death whatever rocks you boat for me it's just a job and I' dont give a toss. One way or the other. Go copper bash to someone who gives a [!Expletive Deleted!]. It's my life I wear the uniform not you and by the way. Power trip my arse I can stand a round in the pub like the rest of humanity. I laugh with the guy's Iv'e nicked the week before it's a way of life I enjoy it I live it. You seem to have a need to name drop that you know lazy police officers that's your problem. Get a life.
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Post by: Boggert on September 04, 2007, 09:02:28
Quote from: "discograham"
I wholeheartedly accept that I have made a sweeping generalisation, and of course there are some wonderful police officers out there working their hearts out...

BUT...

I can only go by my own experiences...

I have never been arrested or detained in my life...   I have never assaulted anyone, stolen ANYTHING whatsoever, not even as a child...the only time that I have "broken the law" was for a speeding offence, at 3am, doing 47 on a dual carriage way when I should have been doing 40... ( but that's another story )... that was not the way I was brought up... however, I have witnessed all the events that I have mentioned, and they are the norm, not the exception... so where are all these police officers to whom you refer ? I am of good character, chairman of the residents association etc, and have no axe to grind with the police. If I have offended anyone... too bad... you shouldn't be so touchy and easy to offend... People must be allowed to criticise or wrong doings will go unchecked... I tell it as I see it, that's all there is to it... perhaps you should read my post again ... you may notice then that it was not anti police... just somewhat critical of them...


I'm not being touchy, which is why I said... "I'm going to hold back" to be honest arm chair wingers and complainers bore me silly, if you have an issue deal with it or let it go.

However I am allowed to disagree with you tunnel vision remember its a free world and I can be offended by you point of view as I am human.

If I made a sweeping generalisation of your profession I'm sure there are plenty of people out there in that job that would be offended so why are we so different. :wink:

Any how I'm no different to Highlander for me its a job not my life.
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Post by: MudRat on September 04, 2007, 10:16:00
On another tack, why do i always see fire engines at fires, is it a coincidence, or do firemen just like to be warm......??

I once saw an ambulance at Morrisons........do they not like Tescos?? or are they scared of the police???


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Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 16:12:26
This thread isnt really helping anything as its coming across as its those in the police force who are using the worst language and being most offensive. No-one has made a personal attack at anyone its all generalisation like there is in every sector of anything. So why does it seem that some people are taking it as very personal indeed and are feeling the need to defend "themselves" in a very defensive way. If your not one of the generalised then where is the need to get so nasty about it? As thats how it is coming across.

I could understand it if someone had come along and said without any proof "That highlander guy off here ya know the one in the police he's a right lazy sod saw him at tesco the other, wasting tax payers money again like all the other boys in blue." Then there would be call for some of the replys in this thread.

Everyone get sterotyped everyday be it for being male or female, being a police officer, a doctor, or a builder. And those that are getting all worked up about this and "generalisation" im sure have at one time or another stero typed someone or someones proffession.
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Post by: Evilgoat on September 04, 2007, 16:35:03
I think both sides need to be aware that there are two sides to this.

I've been to some horric scenes and the Police almost always beat us to it. I've had Police officers in the back of the bus more than once and I know enough of them to know there are plenty of good officers out there, this is why I always try to avoid gettring into rows like this.

I will quite hapilly stand up and say that Hampshire constabulary are oneof the most useless showers I have ever seen, at the sem time the actual officers on the beat arent actually to blame here and I have plenty of tim for people like LSP, Boggert and Highlander. What I dont have time for it the beuracrtic, target driven politically correct BS they have to deal with.

From the outside the public see a police force thats as useful as a chocolate firegaurd, inefficent and a money pit taht vitimises their specific minority. Where as reality is a lot different. Yes I've had my issues woth individuals (Normaly Police Control) but as far as they are able they do a good job. So Highlander goes and nicks some nev for drink driving in a stolen car and the scum is back out in 2 months. Its not Highlanders fault they decided to give him a slap on the wrist, points on a licence he probobly doesnt have and a fine he'll never pay.

The Police officers on here need to remeber what the Public and the majority of people on here see. While everybody else needs to understand its no the fault of these guys. There are always going to be bad eggs in any job, hell theres been a Paramed done recently for something very unsavoury and firefigters arent immune either.

Every officer I know in all three serviced joined because they wanted to make a difference, stop and think before you speak out next time and imagine how they feel about the fact that they cant do this effectively anymore.
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And the old chestnut of " just picked up someones brains " or " had to tell someone their child has died" ...well, there's only so much of that "feel sorry for me" bull that I can take...I've done it..it's not nice but get over it...it's part of the job so give over on the sympathy/shock angle will you.


You should try it sometime, it can be arranged. Just spend a night with the Police on the front line dealing with the worst humanity can deal with. A night with the Ambulance and Fire crerws doing the same.

Do you honestly think you could do it. Drag a charred child from a fire, try and save that childs life knowing full well you cant, then take the parents in to see the charred remains of their little girl/boy. These people do it daily and 6 months of it was enought for me to turn round and put my hand up and say that I couldnt do it.

Fair enough your views on the rest but these people do an almost impossible job, one that joe on the street couldnt do, please, have some respect.
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Post by: Skibum346 on September 04, 2007, 16:54:37
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
Think about what you don't see us doing, before you have a go about what you do see us doing.


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Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Highlander1 on September 04, 2007, 17:05:29
Expletive deleted I promise to be polite and use the term excrement from now on. I usually get called the impolite name for a sphincter but then I'm good at dealing with excrement. :lol:  :roll:

Lighten up no offense meant or intended I we relying on the expletive delated button a bit like the beep on BBC :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 17:14:37
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Expletive deleted I promise to be polite and use the term excrement from now on. I usually get called the impolite name for a sphincter but then I'm good at dealing with excrement. :lol:  :roll:

Lighten up no offense meant or intended I we relying on the expletive delated button a bit like the beep on BBC :lol:



Im not offended i couldn't give a [!Expletive Deleted!] how many times you swear i was just saying how it must of been coming across to all sensitive souls on mudclub. As usually the MODs pile on top on anyone for swearing wether its picked up with the filter or not!

Im always getting threads locked because people can't lighten up on here....... Yet you've got away with more [!Expletive Deleted!] in one post than i have in 1 year LOL

My point was more you seem to be getting very worked up over something as if it was a personal attack on you.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Evilgoat on September 04, 2007, 17:19:20
Quote from: "Keri"


Im always getting threads locked because people can't lighten up on here....... Yet you've got away with more !Expletive Deleted! in one post than i have in 1 year LOL

My point was more you seem to be getting very worked up over something as if it was a personal attack on you.


Perhaps you should stop baiting them? No-one has said anything about locking or moderating this topic, so please, dont give them reason to.

You are of course free to leave the club if you have a problem with the way things are run.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 17:24:54
Quote from: "Evilgoat"
Quote from: "Keri"


Im always getting threads locked because people can't lighten up on here....... Yet you've got away with more !Expletive Deleted! in one post than i have in 1 year LOL

My point was more you seem to be getting very worked up over something as if it was a personal attack on you.


Perhaps you should stop baiting them? No-one has said anything about locking or moderating this topic, so please, dont give them reason to.

You are of course free to leave the club if you have a problem with the way things are run.


I have a problem with one rule for one and another rule for another!

Iv clearly seen posts on here by mods saying that jsut because the language filter is there etc that doesn't mean use it, and that you should try not swear in the first place. Theres thread after thread pulled because people have been swearing in them and they've turned into arguments that could turn personal. Yet this one keeps going.

And why would i want to leave when it full of such great pleasent people.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 17:25:10
Hello Keri :)

(edited at the request of abyssdj)
This post did say !expetive deleted! about 100 times.

There ... feel better now?
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Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 17:25:54
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Hello Keri :)

[ I'd better edit this one too ]

There ... feel better now?


how very mature of you :roll:
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Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 17:27:08
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Hello Keri :)

[ you think anyone actually realises that I told nelly off for doing this ? hmm probably not, but it's been decided that I'm unfair and naughty and not worth listening to anyhow ... puckarrk! ]

There ... feel better now?


 :roll:  oh look you jsut couldn't resist going one better than everyone else could you..... There's a suprise from Mr Mature site owner setting a great example to everyone else.
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Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 17:27:42
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how very mature of you


Well..I thought it was about time we got to play as well. Kinda a bit annoying that everyone else can.
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Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 17:28:39
Quote from: "Thrasher"
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how very mature of you


Well..I thought it was about time we got to play as well. Kinda a bit annoying that everyone else can.


You carry on then  :) are you having fun.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Evilgoat on September 04, 2007, 17:28:49
Quote from: Keri
Quote from: Evilgoat
Quote from: "Keri"


I have a problem with one rule for one and another rule for another!

Iv clearly seen posts on here by mods saying that jsut because the language filter is there etc that doesn't mean use it, and that you should try not swear in the first place. Theres thread after thread pulled because people have been swearing in them and they've turned into arguments that could turn personal. Yet this one keeps going.

And why would i want to leave when it full of such great pleasent people.


Yes this is because YOU (yes thats the person sat behind your keyboard) turns EVRY little niggle into an excuse to cause headaches and trouble. Hell your proud of being kicked of other sites so you are going for another? Let the topic continue about it was actually about, do us a favour and go elsewhere till you can grow up.

There was no issue here untill you piped up.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 17:29:24
Quote from: "Thrasher"
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how very mature of you


Well..I thought it was about time we got to play as well. Kinda a bit annoying that everyone else can.


you can do what you like - its "your site".
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 17:30:23
Well, I've seen some good advice on this thread from other forum users. Just for your edification you can push and push and whine and moan about certain other users, but when I do a nice search of your posts all I find are for sales, snipes, moans and oddly .. not a lot in the way of constructive advice.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 17:31:29
Quote from: Evilgoat
Quote from: Keri
Quote from: "Evilgoat"
Quote from: "Keri"


I have a problem with one rule for one and another rule for another!

Iv clearly seen posts on here by mods saying that jsut because the language filter is there etc that doesn't mean use it, and that you should try not swear in the first place. Theres thread after thread pulled because people have been swearing in them and they've turned into arguments that could turn personal. Yet this one keeps going.

And why would i want to leave when it full of such great pleasent people.


Yes this is because YOU (yes thats the person sat behind your keyboard) turns EVRY little niggle into an excuse to cause headaches and trouble. Hell your proud of being kicked of other sites so you are going for another? Let the topic continue about it was actually about, do us a favour and go elsewhere till you can grow up.

There was no issue here untill you piped up.


Im not proud of getting kicked off other sites. Only site iv been kicked off was LRUK and i was only banned because i live with liam! Not because of anything i did. I was in sheffield at my mums when all the [!Expletive Deleted!] cracked off on there and when i came home i was banned!
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: hrh_dave on September 04, 2007, 17:31:50
Kerri and Abbys whatever - grow up or get out... its up to you, well actually its not just try and please remeber that use of this forum is a privledge not a right as you seem to take it for.


Dave
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Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 17:32:34
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you can do what you like - its "your site".


..and this is where you failed to see the whole point :(

It's OUR site, mine, yours, everyones. It's a community.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 17:33:18
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Well, I've seen some good advice on this thread from other forum users. Just for your edification you can push and push and whine and moan about certain other users, but when I do a nice search of your posts all I find are for sales, snipes, moans and oddly .. not a lot in the way of constructive advice.


Iv never made any sales on here or anything.......  :?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 17:35:05
Quote from: "Evilgoat"
Yes this is because YOU (yes thats the person sat behind your keyboard) turns EVRY little niggle into an excuse to cause headaches and trouble. Hell your proud of being kicked of other sites so you are going for another? Let the topic continue about it was actually about, do us a favour and go elsewhere till you can grow up.

There was no issue here untill you piped up.


it was actually me that got kicked off lruk. the admin/owner/whatever that i actually had the problems with no longer uses it either, basically because he [!Expletive Deleted!] everyone off. they booted keri off because apparently i might access the forum using her username.

the point that was made about highlanders post is completely justified - numerous people get posts removed or edited for language, having a "blanket dig at other members", and all the rest. certain other people seem to be able to say whatever they like, and either nothing is done about it at all, or nothing is done until someone points it out.

if you're going to preach rules, then sort out various members swearing, various members attitudes to people asking what they see as a simple question, sort out peoples avatars that are lurking around the thin line of being "family friendly", and all the other garb.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 17:37:47
Oh for the love of [insert deity of choice]

We're adults, or supposed to be.  If we cannot communicate without resorting to swear words then frankly whatever we have to say clearly doesn't need saying.  

There is an amount of unfair moderation, but it's not unfair because of some personal vendetta or other such reasons it's because of a very simple fact.  

The moderators like everyone else in this country, and most of the other ones I can mention have to go to work to earn money,  this takes a considerable amount of our time.  The remainder of which is spent reading what we would like to be "all" of the posts on the forum.    However, not all posts are going to be read, it's logistics I'm afraid.  If you'd like to pay me to moderate the forum full time, then fine, but I expect mental health insurance thrown in to be brutally honest.

"People can't lighten up", no, we can't, but what you might mean to be a slight or even comedic twist on matters can be taken the wrong way, and when people are stressed, tired or anything else *is* taken the wrong way.

Not for the first time I've read a post and wondered if it's not actually a side swipe at my morality, judgment or friends,  paranoid, yes I probably am but there you have it I think I've earnt the right to be.

We have children who read the forum, if everyone could realise this and stop acting like one for a second that means we're supposed to keep certain standards.   if only as an example to others.   You might not object to people swearing infront of your children, hell you might not even have any, but please bear in mind that some people do object and they are within their rights to do so.

As for being picked on, well, that's not something I have consciously done to anyone on here indeed I have had to suppress my own opinions on just about every topic to avoid offending anyone or getting drawn into an argument and trying to maintain what I consider to be an "even" approach.  You might think I've failed, and you're free to believe that.

As for not moderating anyone else,  that simply is not true, you can choose to believe that I'm a liar if you wish although I have no reason to lie to you I'm just running out of reasons to care what you think of me, since it's been pointed out countless times that I attract about as much respect around here as long john silver's parrot.

As for Rich not being moderated, well, that'd involve him posting something coherent and well spelt enough for me to be able to moderate wouldn't it ?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 17:39:38
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Well, I've seen some good advice on this thread from other forum users. Just for your edification you can push and push and whine and moan about certain other users, but when I do a nice search of your posts all I find are for sales, snipes, moans and oddly .. not a lot in the way of constructive advice.


i dont recall mud-club being on my list of "sell things here" websites... funnily enough, i dont think many people would be interested in a 20 grand line array.

i see snipes from lots of people on here, certainly see enough moans from people... theres a moan thread for christs sake... if you dont see constructive advice, then maybe you should open your eyes. theres plenty of people on here that i've offered advice to and/or tried to help out in one way or another.

on the other hand, most of what i see or hear about you relates to a big headed moronic attitude
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Skibum346 on September 04, 2007, 17:41:08
Right..... can we get back to the business of having fun now....?

Please...?

 :roll:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 17:43:36
Quote from: "Skibum346"
Right..... can we get back to the business of having fun now....?

Please...?

 :roll:


Apparently not ...
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Skibum346 on September 04, 2007, 17:44:32
Well then... time for a joke...

How was copper wire invented...?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Wanderer on September 04, 2007, 17:47:02
Ahhhh so Keri didn't try to sell some girly type stuff which upset someone and the moderators waded in and sorted it for her.

And you have often touted your wares with a we sell those and in fact sold items in the for sale section.

For goodness sakes grow up!
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Highlander1 on September 04, 2007, 17:47:19
Party time I'll bring the cakes  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 17:49:01
Quote from: "Wanderer"
Ahhhh so Keri didn't try to sell some girly type stuff which upset someone and the moderators waded in and sorted it for her.

And you have often touted your wares with a we sell those and in fact sold items in the for sale section.

For goodness sakes grow up!


I thought he was getting at commercial buisness advertising and selling!!!

But yes i did try and sell some shampoo and stuff i had laying about and have sold a few landrover bits before.


Edit: i doubt you find me saying to someone we can sell those or anything similar because i don't  :?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 17:49:50
Quote from: "Wanderer"
Ahhhh so Keri didn't try to sell some girly type stuff which upset someone and the moderators waded in and sorted it for her.

And you have often touted your wares with a we sell those and in fact sold items in the for sale section.

For goodness sakes grow up!


the girly type stuff was not being sold from a business... it was being sold because we had it and didnt want it. check up on it, and you'll see that.

the items that i posted in the for sale section a while ago were there because after a chat with a member about similar stuff, i thought some people might be interested in reading about them, NOT because i expected or indeed intended to sell any.

this of course is all assuming you dont want to buy an 138dB subwoofer... if you want one, i can by all means sell you one.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 17:50:32
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Party time I'll bring the cakes  :lol:


do make sure you get them from tescos, wont you?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 17:53:39
Quote from: "abyss !Expletive Deleted!"
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Party time I'll bring the cakes  :lol:


do make sure you get them from tescos, wont you?


I'm glad it's all a joke, that kinda makes up for you calling one of my friends and a site admin a moron ... :roll:

and you wonder why you might be developing a reputation...

Anyhow, I'm going to climb down off this high horse I seem to have found myself on and actually get on with the "job" of moderating this forum.

If you could all refrain from weeing on the carpet for a little while, I'd be grateful.
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Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 17:57:06
to be honest mate i have no intention of making up for it - friend of yours or not, admin or not - i think the guys a moron. almost every post i see theres a "one better than the last" attitude.

theres no wondering about my "reputation"... i can accept the fact that many people dislike me perfectly well, and i can also understand many of the reasons given. after all, who likes someone that says what they think? theres plenty of people that do, but on the flipside, theres more people that dont.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on September 04, 2007, 18:01:03
Quote from: "abyss !Expletive Deleted!"
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Party time I'll bring the cakes  :lol:


do make sure you get them from tescos, wont you?


Can I come? But I would like to say that down in Hampshire, we only use Waitrose, when the delivery from Harrods is late. They do such a fine line in canapes and Beluga caviar. The only problem is that it sticks to my baton and makes my fingers smell fishy, which is nice in certain circumstances, but most unpleasant in others.
Will there be chocolate blancmange and pink bunnies?
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Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 18:02:00
Quote from: "abyss !Expletive Deleted!"
 


Can you at least change your nickname so it doesn't look like you're deliberately trying to make my blood boil ?

Or is that an undue level of moderation ?
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Post by: discograham on September 04, 2007, 18:03:44
Quote from: "Evilgoat"

You should try it sometime, it can be arranged.


Sadly, as I hinted at in my posts, I have...
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Skibum346 on September 04, 2007, 18:04:27
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
Quote from: "abyss !Expletive Deleted!"
Quote from: "Highlander1"
Party time I'll bring the cakes  :lol:


do make sure you get them from tescos, wont you?


Can I come? But I would like to say that down in Hampshire, we only use Waitrose, when the delivery from Harrods is late.


What's this mlud... not giving the county it's full name...?

Hampshiredarling

Wifey will be disgusted.. her being from Andover and all that!

Skibum
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Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:06:04
Quote from: "datalas"
Quote from: "abyss !Expletive Deleted!"
 


Can you at least change your nickname so it doesn't look like you're deliberately trying to make my blood boil ?

Or is that an undue level of moderation ?


gladly - if you could kindly edit or remove the ridulous post that the good example of a site admin posted previously. clearly, the quotes will need editing too, but im sure you are aware of that
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Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 18:09:31
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on the other hand, most of what i see or hear about you relates to a big headed moronic attitude


Cool :)

Where'd you here that? Or are you basing it on something you *think* - because I'm pretty sure we've never met.

However, as I'm an adult I don't care a fig what you think. In fact you made me laugh, which is just what I needed after work :)
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 18:12:30
Quote from: "AbyssDJ"

gladly - if you could kindly edit or remove the ridulous post that the good example of a site admin posted previously. clearly, the quotes will need editing too, but im sure you are aware of that


That's revisionist history, which I seem to recall was the subject of a previous comment of yours on the moderation of this forum.

Besides, that is an argument between yourself and Neil, what you think of him and what he thinks of you is none of my concern in this particular regard.

I've made a reasonable request, the same request I have made of a dozen members regarding unsuitable or questionable screen names.

I'm trying my hardest to be reasonable and level headed and if you hadn't noticed have just corrected various avatars which as you pointed out are against the grain with regards to content.  Please try to appreciate that I am desperately not trying to make this personal.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:13:01
unfortunately (for you, at least...) im not about to disclose where i hear things about you. thankfully you are correct, i've never met you... but i do know a few people that have. still, you never know... maybe one day, you will be graced with my glowing presence ;)

funnily enough, i couldnt care either... but i think you've probably noticed that by now :roll:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 18:15:18
Quote
unfortunately (for you, at least...) im not about to disclose where i hear things about you


Too worried?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:17:58
Quote from: "datalas"
That's revisionist history, which I seem to recall was the subject of a previous comment of yours on the moderation of this forum.

Besides, that is an argument between yourself and Neil, what you think of him and what he thinks of you is none of my concern in this particular regard.

I've made a reasonable request, the same request I have made of a dozen members regarding unsuitable or questionable screen names.

I'm trying my hardest to be reasonable and level headed and if you hadn't noticed have just corrected various avatars which as you pointed out are against the grain with regards to content.  Please try to appreciate that I am desperately not trying to make this personal.


sorry, im not with you as far as revisionist history goes? you're right though, the argument was indeed between me and the great thrasher.

i had indeed noticed the various avatars and screen names (actually, just the one, but still), which is all good. just for reference, i wasnt saying they bothered me... i was just making a point of saying if one thing is going to be moderated, then the same should be done with the rest.

thrashers post should also be moderated for exactly that reason. end of the day, others have had posts locked, edited or removed for less, so admin or not he should recieve the same, regardless of the subject of the post.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:18:23
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Quote
unfortunately (for you, at least...) im not about to disclose where i hear things about you


Too worried?


about?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 04, 2007, 18:19:45
I attract about as much respect around here as long john silver's parrot.


Ok... so your'e starting on the parrots now, huh ? :roll:

Just because they can't defend themselves !
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 18:19:58
Saying you've heard something about someone, then refusing to say who from, smacks of the playground.

I think we grew out of it a long time ago.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 18:20:01
curiously enough, people have had posts removed for excessive swearing and trying to bypass the swear filter....

what thrasher actually typed was "!expletive deleted!" which is probably not against those rules :-?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 18:21:01
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Saying you've heard something about someone, then refusing to say who from, smacks of the playground.

I think we grew out of it a long time ago.


No its called not wanting to cause trouble for others.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 18:21:45
Why should my post be removed? It doesn't actually say anything ... it's just copy and paste of !expletive deleted!  :roll:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 18:22:43
Ah .. so someone has said things about me, someone I must know (or have known) and they do not want me to know. There's a word for that.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:23:08
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Saying you've heard something about someone, then refusing to say who from, smacks of the playground.

I think we grew out of it a long time ago.


that may well be correct - but regardless of that, im still not about to tell the world where the rumours about you come from. you should be bothering more about why they are there, rather than who they're coming from. :roll:

also, please keep in mind that you post on here - i read many of your posts and think you're a moron without someone else confirming it.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 18:25:08
Sticks and stones. Did you actually ever grow up?

I just think it is funny that you think I'm bothered that someone you won't name has said something about me I haven't heard.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:26:57
Quote from: "datalas"
curiously enough, people have had posts removed for excessive swearing and trying to bypass the swear filter....

what thrasher actually typed was "!expletive deleted!" which is probably not against those rules :-?


which is exactly what i did with my username ;) however, to anyone else, !Expletive Deleted! could have allsorts of things hidden beneath it.... so does the fact that it was copy and pasted make any difference?

besides, even if you completely ignore all of that, its still baiting... people get posts locked, edited or removed for that ;) come on, stop being silly now... if you're going to moderate one thing, moderate the rest.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Wanderer on September 04, 2007, 18:27:05
Quote from: "AbyssDJ"
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Saying you've heard something about someone, then refusing to say who from, smacks of the playground.

I think we grew out of it a long time ago.


that may well be correct - but regardless of that, im still not about to tell the world where the rumours about you come from. you should be bothering more about why they are there, rather than who they're coming from. :roll:

also, please keep in mind that you post on here - i read many of your posts and think you're a moron without someone else confirming it.


Usually that sort of thing comes out of jealousy. You need to be a grown up to see that though.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 04, 2007, 18:28:40
Moron... " adult with a mental age of about 8 to 12.... " ( concise Oxford dictionary...)...

Nope... I can't quite see it... :wink:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 18:28:56
stop being silly and stop baiting moderators, because I am frankly SICK TO DEATH of having my judgement questioned.

I want to leave this thread exactly as it is so that everyone can see what's gone on and make up their own minds as to who the culprits are...

Now how fair is that?

Now please, let it drop... ALL of you..........
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:30:11
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Sticks and stones. Did you actually ever grow up?

I just think it is funny that you think I'm bothered that someone you won't name has said something about me I haven't heard.


i dont think you're bothered... nor am i particularly bothered if you are or not... but still, if you carry on, maybe they'll tell you too one day.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 04, 2007, 18:30:16
Well... not of the person to whom the comment was aimed anyway....
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:34:07
Quote from: "Wanderer"
Usually that sort of thing comes out of jealousy. You need to be a grown up to see that though.


damn, you got me - i want to be just like thrasher, i just didnt want to tell anyone!

Quote from: "datalas"
stop being silly and stop baiting moderators, because I am frankly SICK TO DEATH of having my judgement questioned.

I want to leave this thread exactly as it is so that everyone can see what's gone on and make up their own minds as to who the culprits are...

Now how fair is that?

Now please, let it drop... ALL of you..........


looked like the admin doing the baiting to me... not really on, is it? leave it how you like, i'm not bothered. i do however think its particularly unfair if that particular post isnt moderated, but i'm sure you're not interested - after all, wouldnt want to nark a friend by editing their post.

[/thread]
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 18:35:49
For the love of ......

there, I've made the edits, happy now?  or shall I just continue to pay for you to take no notice of me ?

/me goes to talk to the wall.....
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:38:09
(http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1803807/2/istockphoto_1803807_gold_star_2.jpg)

you know he was baiting, i know he was baiting, and im damn sure he does, but still.... say hi to the wall for me
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 18:38:16
:roll:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Thrasher on September 04, 2007, 18:40:16
Keri,

Quote
Iv clearly seen posts on here by mods saying that jsut because the language filter is there etc that doesn't mean use it, and that you should try not swear in the first place. Theres thread after thread pulled because people have been swearing in them and they've turned into arguments that could turn personal. Yet this one keeps going.


Are you trying to tell me that this thread hasn't degenerated, essentially, into Abyssdj calling me a moron on more than occasion. That's personal AFAIK.

However, to make it fair - I've done something about my behavior in this thread.

<---
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:42:55
edit -

Quote from: "datalas"
OK, this is a final warning, please stop trying to goad me, bait me, insult me or anything else that you are doing, you are on wafer thin ice and I think that I've been about as reasonable as I'm willing to be.


im not trying to do anything other than prove a point, which i think i have done
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 04, 2007, 18:44:22
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Hello Keri :)

(edited at the request of abyssdj)
This post did say !expetive deleted! about 100 times.

There ... feel better now?


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:47:02
Quote from: "discograham"
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Hello Keri :)

(edited at the request of abyssdj)
This post did say !expetive deleted! about 100 times.

There ... feel better now?


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:


he's a comedian and a half, aint he? :roll:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 18:49:01
Quote from: "Thrasher"
Keri,

Quote
Iv clearly seen posts on here by mods saying that jsut because the language filter is there etc that doesn't mean use it, and that you should try not swear in the first place. Theres thread after thread pulled because people have been swearing in them and they've turned into arguments that could turn personal. Yet this one keeps going.


Are you trying to tell me that this thread hasn't degenerated, essentially, into Abyssdj calling me a moron on more than occasion. That's personal AFAIK.

However, to make it fair - I've done something about my behavior in this thread.

<---


But it didn't have to turn into this did it? You cuold of jsut looked at what i was talking about and pmed me rather than posting the things you have and the matter would of gone no further, but you decided on the other option.

Edit: all it need was a mod to read what id said read thru the thread decide for themselves on the matter and pm me to say either yes they had a word and sorted it they weren't gonna do anything.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 18:53:00
Right...

Final word from the parrot...

SHUT THE SMEG UP!

I don't see any reason for people to have a side swipe at the admins and considering that it takes at least two to have an argument I think we all knew where this was going before it went anywhere.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 04, 2007, 18:55:25
had enough of it a while ago 8)
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 04, 2007, 18:58:29
:wink:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: datalas on September 04, 2007, 18:58:37
yeah, it sounds like it ...

/me is not playing anymore
Title: e
Post by: MudRat on September 04, 2007, 19:42:17
Well this thread has certainly gone off track! Love to you all!! Anyway I am now shopping at the co-op, where i see old people not the police (whom i respect dearly!) God why are they so slow (old people not police!)  :wink:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Dave on September 04, 2007, 19:51:29
Now then don't start calling the old people we are all getting there.. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :wink:
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Post by: MudRat on September 04, 2007, 20:52:25
Yep some of us are nearer there than others  :wink:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 04, 2007, 21:00:04
Bet I'm nearer.... :cry:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: P16LET on September 04, 2007, 21:39:15
It's not so much the police cars parked in Tesco's (..and yes, oddly enough it is always Tesco's, even though our Asda is 24 hour also!)....it's the Ambulance crews parked in MacDonalds?!  :shock:  :wink:

I know MacDonalds isn't that healthy as a diet option (...Supersize Me kinda proved that one)...but I didn't know we now had paramedics on standby just in case?!  :wink:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Steve ray on September 04, 2007, 22:15:05
See loadsa coppes in Tesco's Brownhills :D


PMSL @ this thread though ...... Mud Club? Or maybe rename it Mud Slinging Club ??  :roll:  :wink:  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: v8kenny on September 04, 2007, 22:39:23
Quote from: "AbyssDJ"


also, please keep in mind that you post on here - i read many of your posts and think you're a moron without someone else confirming it.



What a great thread ! - aint laughed as much for ages
Loads of dummies getting spat out but worth it for the above quote (sorry Thrasher !)
Priceless !
 :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: att on September 04, 2007, 22:46:07
Bloody typical Tesco thread........Every Little Hurts....... :wink:  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Boggert on September 04, 2007, 23:09:04
Quote from: "discograham"
Quote from: "datalas"
we all knew where this was going before it went anywhere.


Now, that HAS to be a sweeping generalisation.... :wink:

I know about sweeping generalisations... I'm rather fond of making them myself... :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :lol:


LOL... Good reply.... after reading all this our little debate has disappeared into insignificance. Dear god what has gone on here :?:

I think I will get my coat... by the way for the record didn't do to Tescos for refs today.. went to the local chippie! :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Bush Tucker Man on September 04, 2007, 23:13:08
Quote from: "P16LET"
it's the Ambulance crews parked in MacDonalds?!  :shock:  :wink:

I know MacDonalds isn't that healthy as a diet option (...Supersize Me kinda proved that one)...but I didn't know we now had paramedics on standby just in case?!  :wink:


Ambulance crews are now dotted around on 'standby', so that they're not at the station between calls.

They do tend to park near a major road, or one that feeds a main arterial route for rapid responses.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Bush Tucker Man on September 04, 2007, 23:16:31
Quote from: "Bush Tucker Man"
Quote from: "P16LET"
it's the Ambulance crews parked in MacDonalds?!  :shock:  :wink:

I know MacDonalds isn't that healthy as a diet option (...Supersize Me kinda proved that one)...but I didn't know we now had paramedics on standby just in case?!  :wink:


Ambulance crews are now dotted around on 'standby', so that they're not at the station between calls.


On a similar vein (meal-breaks)

http://randomreality.blogware.com/blog/_archives/2007/9/4/3206197.html#comments
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: P16LET on September 04, 2007, 23:32:37
I had a sneaking suspicion that's what they were doing...(..it was only mentioned for the comedy value  :wink: ...and the similarity) I lived for a few years down in Worcs and an ambulance was always sat at the Macdonalds just outside Redditch, and as you rightly say, it was on the side of a very major road...it's only the same as Green Flag trucks parking in layby's on main roads as it's quicker to roll out from there as base garage.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Bob696 on September 04, 2007, 23:44:41
I have met you both.

Abyss .... you lose on all counts but you are so pompus and so far up your own back passage that you can not understand why people would think that.

This forum, and the world in general. would not suffer if you were to disappear. Why don't you test my theory for me?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Keri on September 04, 2007, 23:50:22
Quote from: "Bob696"
I have met you both.

Abyss .... you lose on all counts but you are so pompus and so far up your own back passage that you can not understand why people would think that.

This forum, and the world in general. would not suffer if you were to disappear. Why don't you test my theory for me?



Have we met you  :? ?
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: P16LET on September 05, 2007, 00:16:18
If you compare the number of people who have viewed this post, to the number of members who have actually posted, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that this topic is being observed with great relish.

It is irrespective whether any members have met either of you, although the phrase "proof of the pudding is in the eating" springs to mind, the simple fact of the matter is that you are making certain topics and areas of the forum no-go areas, with your over zealous critisism of anyone who is on the other side of the Forum fence, namely the Moderators and site admin.

At every given opportunity you manage to drag round any given topic to suit your own needs, primarily posting scathing remarks and at times very personal comments about both the moderators and the site admin.  Has it ever occured to either of you that this site is visited by hundreds of thousands of people a day....both current and prospective members alike....and if their impression of the site and its members was based on your brand of derogatory diatribe then I am almost ashamed to be a member and associated with you on that basis alone.

This entire site is run on a day to day basis by people who have jobs, lives and families of their own and yet still manage to provide us all with an extremely well put together site. They don't take a wage for doing this, nor do they expect US, the members, to dip into our pockets to perpetuate the club, as so many other sites do. Mud Club wouldn't survive without the members, but by the same token, it wouldn't be what it is without the team behind it....both sides make it the enjoyable, informative, family friendly and at times hilarious entity that it is....all they have ever asked is that we keep postings toned down a little, so that you wouldn't be afraid of either your kids or your granny reading what was on here!

Any form of moderation that you have been party to has little or nothing to do with curtailment of freedom of speech (..a point that you crow about all too often) but there is a time and a place for everything. My dad always said to me "it doesn't matter what you do, what you wear, or what you say, just never intentionally give offence"...perhaps this is a maxim you should ponder for a moment?

Pretty much everyone else manages to abide by the fairly lax site guidelines...so I really am intruiged as to why can't you?

(...something else to ponder, this entire rebuke was put together without using one single profanity...a novel concept to both of you I'm sure)
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 05, 2007, 00:38:02
Quote from: "P16LET"
......

Pretty much everyone else manages to abide by the fairly lax site guidelines...so I really am intruiged as to why can't you?

(...something else to ponder, this entire rebuke was put together without using one single profanity...a novel concept to both of you I'm sure)


a lovely story im sure... although i think the problem here stemmed from the fact that one of these guideline abiding members came into a thread intended as light humour and completely did his nut, throwing !Expletive Deleted!'s here there and everywhere...

if i recall correctly, it was keri that politely made comment about it and pointed out that it wasnt intended as a snipe at the police or at any policeman in particular.

now other than saying what i think, which numerous people dislike, i dont see which of these lax guidelines i'm missing.

ps. bob, i dont ever recall meeting you. if i have, you must have kept it pretty damn quiet for some reason...

ps again. that !Expletive Deleted! was typed - i did not swear. apparently, that makes a difference.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Devon-Rover on September 05, 2007, 00:48:24
Liam i have said this before on another forum. It might be an idea to take this on the chin and take five away from the keyboard.
The Admin and the mods do sterling service in keeping this forum running ship shape and bristol fashion. And your not doing yourself any favours by arguing the "flip" with them at this time. Right or not you'll just have to back down and accept what you are told with good grace. Pursuing this matter will only get you further up the creak without a paddle.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: P16LET on September 05, 2007, 00:49:50
In all fairness, the simple fact of the matter is, that you (...and that is meant as a dual not a singular you) as ever, choose to select the points of a debate that most suit your purpose.

This is not the first time that a topic has been hijacked for the purposes of having a needle at someone.  It has been pointed out on more than one occasion that neither the moderators nor the site admin are fair game, and if you have any grievances about the practices of either, then perhaps you should message them personally, instead of it turning into a rather public slanging match.

The fact that Keri mentioned anything about moderators in this posting was done purely on the basis of poking an already unsettled wasps nest (...refer to the Moan thread not so long since)...there was no cause or purpose for it to be mentioned, so why not leave well alone?

I'm not the only person who is becoming more and more unsettled by the venomous nature that is developing within these posts....however, unlike some of the more shy and retiring members, who agree wholeheartledly, but choose not to get involved...I will stand my ground if only on their behalf.  If the way this site is run doesn't suit you or you feel you have nothing of any value to contribute to what invariably starts out a a fairly inoccuous post, then it would be better for all concerned to just keep your peace or go elsewhere.....better to remain quiet and thought a fool etc.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: mud-club-matty on September 05, 2007, 00:51:01
that admin team do a grate  job on running the forum  ontop of there day to day jobs  would love to know how the fit time in with the familys   all my regards to the admin team
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: extreme90 on September 05, 2007, 00:51:14
having read through this and having read another post by neil, i hope that both you liam and keri are satisfied as what you have achieved

now are either of you going to loose your attitude's ?
or are you going to continue upsetting people on this forum who have got along great until you laim started rearing up  :shock:

it has now stretched as far as to upsetting the site owner which has such now resulted in most discovery owners loosing out, but not only that, everyone on this forum missing out on hit whit and humor

 am disgusted at you both, weve never seen eye to eye but i started getting respect back for you as you briefly lost the cheek and attitude problem

well done  =D> =D>

now do us all a favour and get your coat and F off  :shock:  :shock:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Eeyore on September 05, 2007, 00:56:34
Erm,

This is a thread supposidly discussing the state of policing in the UK.

Keep it on subject, please.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: extreme90 on September 05, 2007, 00:59:48
sorry Eeyore
but i am thoughly hacked off big time about the manner of respect that has been diplayed towards neil  :shock:
its disgraceful
now im going bed before i spit my dummy right out  :shock:
goodnite fella's  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Devon-Rover on September 05, 2007, 01:01:31
*hears the distinct jingle of keys of a topic about to be locked*

Can't say that i have seen many police in the local tesco's, Can't say really that i spend enough time loitering in the car park to find out.  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: extreme90 on September 05, 2007, 01:03:13
Quote from: "Devon-Rover"
*hears the distinct jingle of keys of a topic about to be locked*

Can't say that i have seen many police in the local tesco's, Can't say really that i spend enough time loitering in the car park to find out.  :lol:


no,too busy hiding in gateways eating donuts awaiting some pearson to drive past 3 mph over the speed limit and pull them  :P  :P
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 05, 2007, 01:08:11
here comes the sympathy vote. i give up, i really do! fact of the matter is that none of this even needed to start... but no. all keri did is say maybe highlander should calm down a bit and that it wasnt intended as an insult to anyone etc etc etc and that gets returned with a handful of members throwing virtual, forum based bricks at her for it.

THAT is what narked me, and THAT is why i posted in here in the first place. correct me if im wrong, but keri had posted in here a few times before any of that cracked off... so im pretty sure that accusing her (or us...) of only posting in here because there was an opportunity to stir it up is quite unfair.

the incident in the moan thread was also started by someone else that i've had grief with and spoke to moderators about before... seemingly another one that frequently gets away with whatever.

anyway, on a lighter note, i shall not get my coat and "f off" at all, but i would appreciate it if you didnt avoid the language filter :wink:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: AbyssDJ on September 05, 2007, 01:08:46
ps. ashby tescos is always full of bobbys.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Eeyore on September 05, 2007, 01:13:30
Ahem, 'POLICING IN THE UK' :roll:

Your co-operation is expected  [-X

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: P16LET on September 05, 2007, 01:22:06
In light of all this, perhaps this is an ideal opportunity for both of you to pull your horns in a little.

This site does have a tendency to police itself (...no pun intended with regard to the origins of this post!)..so if you have reservations about the actions of other members then perhaps you should leave the much maligned moderators to do their "job" and pull the apparent offenders up for any site infractions....and leave yourselves well out the firing line.

However, despite all of this, Thrasher has taken the decision to remove himself from getting involved in any further "debates" by not posting at all - this is indeed a sorry state of affairs and will come as a shock to a lot of people.  :shock:
If you imagine Thrasher as a pub landlord and you as a rather outspoken and rumbunxious customer, if he was threatening to bar you from your local for your actions, you would be inclined to apologise for your behaviour, whether you believed you were right or not, purely so you could continue drinking somewhere you liked being....if you apply that scenario to this site, perhaps you should apologise to Thrasher for your behaviour in this instance....and if not for this, then just for the fact that you have made his life ten times more difficult than it ought to be, and generally upset and offended other "regulars"  :(

We all wait with eager anticipation.......
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: extreme90 on September 05, 2007, 01:22:24
Quote from: "AbyssDJ"
here comes the sympathy vote. i give up, i really do! fact of the matter is that none of this even needed to start... but no. all keri did is say maybe highlander should calm down a bit and that it wasnt intended as an insult to anyone etc etc etc and that gets returned with a handful of members throwing virtual, forum based bricks at her for it.

THAT is what narked me, and THAT is why i posted in here in the first place. correct me if im wrong, but keri had posted in here a few times before any of that cracked off... so im pretty sure that accusing her (or us...) of only posting in here because there was an opportunity to stir it up is quite unfair.

the incident in the moan thread was also started by someone else that i've had grief with and spoke to moderators about before... seemingly another one that frequently gets away with whatever.

anyway, on a lighter note, i shall not get my coat and "f off" at all, but i would appreciate it if you didnt avoid the language filter :wink:



liam, i do no wish to continue this matter any further
all i ask...wel infact the whole forum asks, it to drop the attitude, stop stooping to levels, ino your definding keri, but she's a grown girl she can defend herself  8)

now can i ask one thing of you ?
redeem yourself by speaking to neil, as the forum really is loosing out by him not posting, the site simply will not be the same  :cry:
even yuorself will loose out of his know how  :wink:

so now that both, yourself, me matt and the others have all pick'd our toys up and put our dummys back in can we please get back onto the topic  :roll:

however in my defence, i put that as pollitely as i could at the time  :shock:  and avoiding the filter b putting it the way i did might have made you realise at my disgust  :shock:

now back to the skiving pink things  :P    :twisted:

dan
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Eeyore on September 05, 2007, 01:22:44
Quote from: "Devon-Rover"
*hears the distinct jingle of keys of a topic about to be locked*


10 out of 10 in the observation test!

Having just deleted three off topic (i.e unwanted) posts, I'm lokcing this thread.

It's only in for onvernight. Once it's sobered up and can walk straight it'll be unlocked to make it's own way home again.

As flippant as that sounds, I think it's a sad, sad indication of peoples attitudes when they can't show the decency to respect other folks views, especially of those who resource this forum. I'd like to thank them that have showed support for the Addy and Moddy team - it's apprecaited. I'd especially like to thank them that have tired to defuse the current situation.

Now, move along folks, there's nothing more to see here. Move along, now.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: extreme90 on September 05, 2007, 01:24:20
Quote from: "Eeyore"
Quote from: "Devon-Rover"
*hears the distinct jingle of keys of a topic about to be locked*


10 out of 10 in the observation test!

Having just deleted three off topic (i.e unwanted) posts, I'm lokcing this thread.

It's only in for onvernight. Once it's sobered up and can walk straight it'll be unlocked to make it's own way home again.

As flippant as that sounds, I think it's a sad, sad indication of peoples attitudes when they can't show the decency to respect other folks views, especially of those who resource this forum.

Now, move along folks, there's nothing more to see here. Move along, now.


thought you were locking it  :P  :P
running........gone...............
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Eeyore on September 05, 2007, 09:53:17
unlocked again.

Thanks for your patience, folks.  8)
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Boggert on September 05, 2007, 10:46:08
Top marks Eeyore, an excellent bit of moderating.

Back to the subject in hand... Policing in the UK has changes, but so has crime, and people’s attitudes. New officers are now trained to question their superiors where it use to be like the military.

We are told to go out in to the community, engage with them, yes have lunch where we can be seen. I agree not everyone see it like that but that is the way we are going. Surely its better we are seen buying food at Tescos or if you are LSP Harrods :wink: than huddled behind a desk or watching TV in the refs room.

I figure I dammed if I do and dammed if I don't, therefore I don't care as long as I am doing my job to the best of my ability. Because of the nature of our job we stand out like a sore thumb no matter what we do, be it right or wrong.

I was recently at a RTA, a serious one a fatal and I had a chap fail to stop at my road block, I eventually got him stopped and he was so angry with me he made a complaint... Why??? he was in the wrong?? Was I worried, not one bit. His complaint was tossed out very quickly…

However I will say one thing, I love this website and have made some good friends on it but I do not come here for people for people to have a pop at my profession because they have had a bad experience with a police man in the past! There is a time and place for complaining about the police and that is after the experience to their boss. I would not come here and say most lorry drivers are fat arrogant sexist pigs, because that is a generalisation and just not true.

Oh god after reading this hasn’t my diversity training worked… right I’m now off to Czech for a week where there is no such thing as diversity!
 :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Eeyore on September 05, 2007, 11:08:33
I have a colleague whose son is quite some way up in a regional force. His major gripe now is that he is pressurized to fulfill certain targets, which can can often be at odds with what the public feel is more important. To be fair to the him, he often beleives the public is right in what they want. But no, his superiors decide that certain types of crime are 'less important' because they don't hit the right tick-box with the Auditors.

He's no longer happy with his job (unsurprisingly).

His other comment was echoed above - two guys, one car, half a county to patrol. You can't be everywhere at once but the police are a victim of resource cutting and resource 'realignment' too. It ain't your bobbies fault - it's them higher up the chain.

Yeah, okay there are plenty of bad apples in the barrel (isn't there always) but there's no resource for that to be handled appropriately.

What's the answer? No idea, perosanally, but I'm interested as to what others can suggest, especially our serving officers. They're the guys having to do the job.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

p.s. Thank you Boggert, very kind to say.   8)
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Jamin on September 05, 2007, 11:10:22
Therse was always a bobby in our local Superdrug.

He used to stand at the back of the store doing very little.

Was also very rude, woudnt respond to you if you spoke to him. Just stand there grinning  :shock:

Im all for police think they do a great job, and personally never met one who hasnt been professional and very helpfull ( im a law abider)

But this guy was just awfull, every day doing nothing. Wasting time and money. Hopefully he was fired!




Went in one day and someone had crudely repaired him with selotape!

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39067000/jpg/_39067577_briangeorge203.jpg)


Did they really think it would deter shoplifters! :D :lol:  :D  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Eeyore on September 05, 2007, 11:31:22
Finding bobbies in chemists and pharmacies is quite common nowadays, depending on your location. Certainly, the ones I've had the pleasure of working in had issues arising from the free issue of syringes and them picking up rehab scripts. Some of the clientel can get a bit 'assertive'. Ahh, how I miss Kings Lynn, Norwich and Ipswich (not!)

Your average store guard carries less authority than a guy with a 'proper' badge (and a stick).

Sadly, guarding something always involve a lot of standing around waiting for something to happen.

As with a lot of things however, this may not be the enitre story, and he could have just been hiding out of the way and being obnoxious, but the thought is worth raising.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: karlo on September 05, 2007, 11:40:32
Quote from: "Eeyore"
I have a colleague whose son is quite some way up in a regional force. His major gripe now is that he is pressurized to fulfill certain targets, which can can often be at odds with what the public feel is more important. To be fair to the him, he often beleives the public is right in what they want. But no, his superiors decide that certain types of crime are 'less important' because they don't hit the right tick-box with the Auditors.

He's no longer happy with his job (unsurprisingly).

His other comment was echoed above - two guys, one car, half a county to patrol. You can't be everywhere at once but the police are a victim of resource cutting and resource 'realignment' too. It ain't your bobbies fault - it's them higher up the chain.

Yeah, okay there are plenty of bad apples in the barrel (isn't there always) but there's no resource for that to be handled appropriately.

What's the answer? No idea, perosanally, but I'm interested as to what others can suggest, especially our serving officers. They're the guys having to do the job.

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore

p.s. Thank you Boggert, very kind to say.   8)


Unfortunately alot of this government's money saving has been mainly through natural wastage with people leaving jobs and not being replaced not just in the Police but in other area's NHS, Civil Service e.t.c.

This means less staff to do more who's work loads continue to rise due to illness & stress then more people leave and it just gets worse.

Now after Mr Blair has left it has been handed to Mr Brown who is going to get bitten in the rear because its now starting to blow up into strikes.

You have only got to look around to see that police manpower has dropped dramatically in recent years.

If you only new how much money is wasted within the Civil service alone its shocking (I have worked within it).

I think if all mp's and top civil servants took a 10% pay cut this country would make millions over night.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Jamin on September 05, 2007, 11:43:02
Did the pic not Work :D

Quote from: "Eeyore"


Your average store guard carries less authority than a guy with a 'proper' badge (and a stick).



Being 5mm thick and an inanimate objet, i think his authority was minimal :D
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: The Ant Hill Mob on September 05, 2007, 13:24:25
I'd like to ask the serving officers on here, when they're in Tesco's or wherever,  buying their dinner, how many people go up to them and start hassling them?  And how many times do they get a smile and a thanks from Joe Public for doing a sterling job with few resources, and daft laws to work around.

My stepdad repeatedly got taken home as a child after falling in the local horse trough.  After being given a clip round the ear by the local bobby (who was 8ft tall and built like a brick outhouse), he'd get the same from his Mum, as he was making her ashamed in front of the neighbours, by bringing the little tyke home!

How many times is this repeated nowadays?  The clip round the ear would count as GBH against the officer, and it's now illegal to give a child a slap on the back of the legs (the bit where Mums know it really hurts).  How many parents would now turn around and have a go at the officer for bringing the child home?

I know times change, and I'm not longing for the good old days where diptheria, measles and scarlet fever were child killers, but this type of policing seemed to work well - they didn't have ASBO's in those days, as Policemen (and Teachers) got the respect they deserved from the vast majority of people.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Eeyore on September 05, 2007, 13:29:52
Quote from: "Jamin"

Being 5mm thick and an inanimate objet, i think his authority was minimal :D


And the moral of this story is always read the post properly first!  :oops:

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Nice one!  :wink:

Cheers
 8)
Eeyore
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Xtremeteam on September 05, 2007, 18:19:43
Quote from: "AbyssDJ"

the incident in the moan thread was also started by someone else that i've had grief with and spoke to moderators about before... seemingly another one that frequently gets away with whatever.

anyway, on a lighter note, i shall not get my coat and "f off" at all, but i would appreciate it if you didnt avoid the language filter :wink:


awww i missed all this cos i cant get online at home,

anyhow

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh listen






























its all nice & quiet now  8)
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Highlander1 on September 05, 2007, 18:54:03
Quote from: "Xtremeteam"
Quote from: "AbyssDJ"

the incident in the moan thread was also started by someone else that i've had grief with and spoke to moderators about before... seemingly another one that frequently gets away with whatever.

anyway, on a lighter note, i shall not get my coat and "f off" at all, but i would appreciate it if you didnt avoid the language filter :wink:


awww i missed all this cos i cant get online at home,

anyhow

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh listen,






























its all nice & quiet now  8)



















BOO!
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 05, 2007, 18:58:30
Quote from: "Boggert"
I would not come here and say most lorry drivers are fat arrogant sexist pigs, because that is a generalisation and just not true.:lol:


In my case, Il'e give you the fat and arrogant bit   :wink:  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Evilgoat on September 05, 2007, 19:02:19
Quote from: "discograham"
Quote from: "Boggert"
I would not come here and say most lorry drivers are fat arrogant sexist pigs, because that is a generalisation and just not true.:lol:


In my case, Il'e give you the fat and arrogant bit   :wink:  :lol:


And thats just the female ones

*runs like hell*
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: discograham on September 05, 2007, 19:23:12
Quote from: "Evilgoat"
Quote from: "discograham"
Quote from: "Boggert"
I would not come here and say most lorry drivers are fat arrogant sexist pigs, because that is a generalisation and just not true.:lol:


In my case, Il'e give you the fat and arrogant bit   :wink:  :lol:


And thats just the female ones

*runs like hell*


Evilgoat gets hit by flying Yorkie bar......
Title: Re: e
Post by: marjan on September 05, 2007, 20:05:20
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
As one of the afore mentioned supposed wasters of tax payers money, I would like to set a few things straight.
1) We, contrary to popular belief, are human, and have to eat and drink the same as you do.
2) If food is purchased, we pay for it out of our wages, not from the tax payers purse.
3) It is not uncommon, when on rural sectors, to have a patrol area of 300+ miles, so the only place that may be open is the nearest 24hr shop, unless of course we should break into the nearest KFC or poach our scoff from the nearest field.
4) There are very few Police stations with kitchen/canteen facilities, as they have been closed for varying reasons including Health and Safety, namely we are not qualified to cook our own meals. Their ruling,not mine. I am fully trained to drive at +150mph to catch criminals, deal with armed villains, be social workers to dysfunctional families and nurse maid drunks, but it is too risky for me to boil an egg.
5) I along with numerous other officers, always 'lunch in the office', namely in the car, as we are then out on the street able to respond and not stuck in the Nick getting jumped on by pen wielding civvies and egotistical supervisors.
6) Most 24hr shops tend to attract a higher number than average amount of loonies, drunks, and weirdos at night. Hence patrols are encouraged to attend there as a crime deterrent.
7) In relation to the bit about uniforms and cars, perhaps we should all strip off and go there on unicycles?

Hopefully that will clear up a few things. I along with the vast majority of other Police Officers have a difficult enough job to do dealing with all that Society can come up with.
Perhaps those officers that you have seen have just come back from a messy accident caused by some moron thinking he is the greatest driver in the world, or comforting some old lady that has had her life destroyed by burglars, or facing a knife wielding cretin that thinks he is Napoleon?
Think about what you don't see us doing, before you have a go about what you do see us doing.


You won't find me having a go at our boys in blue for having a short break for sustanance. After all I'm a council worker and I have more breaks than KitKat  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: simdeb on September 05, 2007, 20:54:22
Quote from: "The Ant Hill Mob"


I know times change, and I'm not longing for the good old days where diptheria, measles and scarlet fever were child killers, but this type of policing seemed to work well - they didn't have ASBO's in those days, as Policemen (and Teachers) got the respect they deserved from the vast majority of people.



first day back at school and i over hear a child saying to another 'there's going to be fight after school'
while questioning the boy he said 'you can't do anything anyway its after school'

he was marched to the heads office, and gladly let him know who and when!!!!!
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: wizard on September 06, 2007, 22:14:20
I called the cops out once. three little scum bags slashed my tyres, mrs wizards tyres and a mates tyres.
I gave the copper the scum bags names, phone numbers and addresses and he recons there is nothing they can do !!!!!
no wonder they all hang about Tesco's

wizard
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on September 06, 2007, 22:44:49
I've been away for a few days. Has it really got this heavy? Crazeee! As a result of this the masive amount of interest in this thread, I have now changed my eating and shopping habits.
I now shop only at Fortnum and Masons, as I find their foie gras is of such finer quality than Harrods.
As for Tescos, well, all I can say is that I wouldn't park my BMW works carraige anywhere near a place that quite plainly attracts such unwarranted attention! :shock:
I hope you realise that you all have behaved very badly and were the topic of conversation at the after dinner servant beating at Sandringham last weekend!
Believe me, a certain cousin of mine was not amused, and her hubby was on about horse whips! But enough of his personal preferences!
I must go as I have to go and get the house boy to polish the patrol car. One does have certain standards to keep up in Hampshar, don't cha know?
Tally Ho, chocks away, first one to bag Billy the Burglar gets a medal, hurrah!

P.S thanks most awfullly to Highlander1, for the most satisfying peasant shooting. Sorry, did I say peasant? I meant grouse. Much the same thing really! Time for a skinny dip, lorks a lordy, then back for a hot crumpet! Chin chin!
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Boggert on September 08, 2007, 08:10:36
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
I've been away for a few days. Has it really got this heavy? Crazeee! As a result of this the masive amount of interest in this thread, I have now changed my eating and shopping habits.
I now shop only at Fortnum and Masons, as I find their foie gras is of such finer quality than Harrods.
As for Tescos, well, all I can say is that I wouldn't park my BMW works carraige anywhere near a place that quite plainly attracts such unwarranted attention! :shock:
I hope you realise that you all have behaved very badly and were the topic of conversation at the after dinner servant beating at Sandringham last weekend!
Believe me, a certain cousin of mine was not amused, and her hubby was on about horse whips! But enough of his personal preferences!
I must go as I have to go and get the house boy to polish the patrol car. One does have certain standards to keep up in Hampshar, don't cha know?
Tally Ho, chocks away, first one to bag Billy the Burglar gets a medal, hurrah!

P.S thanks most awfullly to Highlander1, for the most satisfying peasant shooting. Sorry, did I say peasant? I meant grouse. Much the same thing really! Time for a skinny dip, lorks a lordy, then back for a hot crumpet! Chin chin!


Oh dear god LSP you have lost the plot totally.... any how My dad has an account at Fortumns.... oh now its catching and I am loosing the plot.
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: Lord Shagg-Pyle on September 08, 2007, 22:51:00
Quote from: "Boggert"
Quote from: "Lord Shagg-Pyle"
I've been away for a few days. Has it really got this heavy? Crazeee! As a result of this the masive amount of interest in this thread, I have now changed my eating and shopping habits.
I now shop only at Fortnum and Masons, as I find their foie gras is of such finer quality than Harrods.
As for Tescos, well, all I can say is that I wouldn't park my BMW works carraige anywhere near a place that quite plainly attracts such unwarranted attention! :shock:
I hope you realise that you all have behaved very badly and were the topic of conversation at the after dinner servant beating at Sandringham last weekend!
Believe me, a certain cousin of mine was not amused, and her hubby was on about horse whips! But enough of his personal preferences!
I must go as I have to go and get the house boy to polish the patrol car. One does have certain standards to keep up in Hampshar, don't cha know?
Tally Ho, chocks away, first one to bag Billy the Burglar gets a medal, hurrah!

P.S thanks most awfullly to Highlander1, for the most satisfying peasant shooting. Sorry, did I say peasant? I meant grouse. Much the same thing really! Time for a skinny dip, lorks a lordy, then back for a hot crumpet! Chin chin!


Oh dear god LSP you have lost the plot totally.... any how My dad has an account at Fortumns.... oh now its catching and I am loosing the plot.



It all depends on your definition of normality, old boy! If all about you are losing their minds, then you must be ok. At least that is what the trick cyclist told me. Cluck, squeak, parp, hyphen!
Title: The safest place in england.
Post by: cardiff_gareth on September 08, 2007, 23:21:45
Quote from: "wizard"
I called the cops out once. three little scum bags slashed my tyres, mrs wizards tyres and a mates tyres.
I gave the copper the scum bags names, phone numbers and addresses and he recons there is nothing they can do !!!!!
no wonder they all hang about Tesco's

wizard


yes but you also know who they are and where they live etc so in time, when its all forgotten about Wizard may use the aveda kadava spell !!

  :wink:
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